Yin and Yang count?
I always assumed that these were more like "attributes" that didn't class as "nature" manipulation.
But if it says so, I stand corrected (regarding the number of natural elements chakra can be manipulated into)
Yin and Yang count?
I always assumed that these were more like "attributes" that didn't class as "nature" manipulation.
But if it says so, I stand corrected (regarding the number of natural elements chakra can be manipulated into)
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
So basically the light/dark chakra. Is Shikimaru the only example of that, with his shadow bind techniques?
Fits him well with the whole 'Knight' analogy. Light/Dark has no weakness, but no strength either, against the other natures.
Guys... there`s only 5 elements, are we really arguing this? what Jiraiya said is probably a mistranslation and he probably meant the 6 characteristic abilities he seems to have.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
no,
nagato did fire, earth and water jutsus when jiraiya said that...
and why would 2 different sub groups (one of them are official) sub it as "6"?
what do you mean by "6 characteristic abilities" are you talking about what the 6 pains can do? that would make no sense at all.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Mon, 07-12-2010 at 11:38 AM.
there are 5 "elements", but there are 6 ways for you to transform chakra. or something like that...Originally Posted by UChessmaster
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At this point, it just feels like this argument isn't going anyplace anymore.
The oddness of the fact that there are so many people here trying DESPERATELY to defend filler content leads me to believe that it's a bunch of manga readers who know the manga proves them right in the future, but right now, the evidence for their argument doesn't exist yet.
What does the manga translate it as?
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Mon, 07-12-2010 at 04:38 PM.
Quite the convenient plot hole
Wasn't the 6th like.... crystals or some shit?
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Well, the Crystal user was a filler character, so I doubt it.
i thought that crystal junk was a bloodline thing. or some odd combination of elements.. But yeah, filler character anyways.
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and there is no real evidence which proves us wrong eitherbut right now, the evidence for their argument doesn't exist yet.
and you are assuming things yourself, you believe that the push can't be sustained
so does that mean that pain knows some flying jutsu? or why is he able to slowly push himself up to the sky while floating midair?
and a push that can't be sustained would mean that it is nothing more than a punch, yet when choji and his father attacked him, they were trying to keep rolling forward instead of being pushed away instantaneous
I don't know, I would have no problem to look it up somewhere if I knew what chapter it is thoughWhat does the manga translate it as?
Last edited by KrayZ33; Tue, 07-13-2010 at 04:09 PM.
Except for several characters saying so.
Granted, those characters could be wrong, but if I have to choose between believing things said by characters and believing...nothing, I'm going to believe the characters until new evidence says otherwise.
You guys are missing it completely. Kishi is a *HUGE* fan of Captain Planet. The 6th element is LOVE. It lets you talk to animals like the cursed seal guy, Juugo, in Sasuke's group.
Oh, yeah. Spoiler.
Did I do that right?
/sarcasm
Somehow.... this would fit. Just think about the whole "protect friends" and so on
But it's "The Power of Heart" (stupid, but that's how it is)
Gaia, the spirit of earth can no longer stand the terrible destruction plagueing our planet!
That's stupid.
Everyone knows Heart is a combined Fire/Lightning element.
is that so? when and where!?Except for several characters saying so.
and what evidence do *they* have that they are able to say for example "each character can only use one ability" for example?
though we've seen 6 different jutsus from the main-pain-body already
even the first summoner pain did use the Kage-bushin Jutsu and this tree trunk-switch thingy-jutsu
Last edited by KrayZ33; Wed, 07-14-2010 at 05:54 AM.
How about this? my common sense tells they can only use one ability since so far, they have only use oned ability this battle. There goes one brain cell.
Main body Pain =/= dead Pains
Kage bunshin? as already told, Kage bunshin is a basic technique that shouldn`t be counted just like water walking and whatnot, i have no idea what trunk-switch thingy-jutsu is so, ok.
Next we`ll be arguing, talking and moving is an "ability".
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Ya.. right
kage bushin... basic.. it's B(?)-Rank, thus chuunin/jonin level.
and I guess Kage-Bushin *NO JUTSU* means its "no-jutsu" after all.
however that would make rasengan basic too, right?
because both are nothing more than shape-transformations
and the "trunk-switch-jutsu-thingy" is that jutsu where the ninja replaces his body in order to hide somewhere else.
but ok, its probably E-rank, yet it is still a nin-jutsu which ordinary villagers can not preform
hurr, what is it now?Main body Pain =/= dead Pains
so he IS able to use more jutsus? so its fine that he can use his push ability to form some kind of forcefield? great, because I agree.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Wed, 07-14-2010 at 07:56 AM.
*facepalm*
You know what? i`m not going to argue this anymore, the episode was fantastic and the pinnacle of perfection by all standards.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Well, Kishimoto wrote the characters to say that each Pain only had one type of power.
Then he wrote it so each Pain only used one type of power.
But then the animators gave the Pain multiple powers.
End result:
Kishimoto writes the Konoha ninjas as observant and capable of accurately evaluating their enemies.
The animators make the Konoha ninjas out to be retards.
Kishimoto writes it so that Kakashi sacrifices himself to obtain the information that allows Naruto to fight against Pain.
The animators make it so Kakashi died learning something ultimately useless because it turned out to be bullshit.
So, yeah.
I think this is probably correct. Nagato is a living breathing person, so there's no reason why he should be limited to one ability. It seems like he has the ability to imbue a dead body with one special power.
I wouldn't be surprised if when they finally find Nagato he ends up being able to use the powers of all 6 of his Pains.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Wed, 07-14-2010 at 10:01 PM.
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