The 4th sealed a fricking demon, the third failed to seal one man. I'd say the results alone speak for their difference in skills.Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
The 4th sealed a fricking demon, the third failed to seal one man. I'd say the results alone speak for their difference in skills.
The Third sealed the First, Second, and the arm of Orochimaru while having a sword impaled in him.
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don't forget to mention that he was +-30 years older when he used the sealing-jutsu.
but the 4th is stronger anyway - I mean he was able to split Kuubi's chakra somehow and now we even see him inside Naruto! Great guy
Bah, they weren't the real First and Second. They were just apparitions powered by Oro's sacrificed pawns, and thus only as powerful as those nameless pawns, even if they knew the original techniques.
Did they ever mention this somewhere?
If it was the case, it hardly makes sense for Oro to choose such weak pawns to power such strong cards.
Why not use 2 of the Sound 4s then? Equivalent exchange doesn't seem to be a law in this anime.
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If it was Oro plus fully powered First and Second versus lone Third, I think the loser would be very swiftly obvious, even if we don't really know much about the First and Second's level of power.
Besides, how much sense does it make that by sacrificing some loser you get to resurrect some uber mofo with full powers yet completely obedient? If such a miracle technique existed, everybody and their cousins would be using it and all the fights in the series would be between zombies.
So, no, it wasn't said anywhere but logic dictates it.
Exactly.
From the observing ANBU's point of view, it seemed very much like a "Hokage-level battle" to him - I have no reason to doubt him.
The outcome showed that the Third had no way of defeating them, and resorted to the Death Seal, which not only kills him, but binds his mentors' souls to hell forever.
It was most certainly a one-sided battle.
The two Hokages weren't completely obedient until Oro put those two tags into them.Besides, how much sense does it make that by sacrificing some loser you get to resurrect some uber mofo with full powers yet completely obedient? If such a miracle technique existed, everybody and their cousins would be using it and all the fights in the series would be between zombies.
So, no, it wasn't said anywhere but logic dictates it.
It was also mentioned that this was a Forbidden Technique, something that was sealed from general knowledge, and probably read by Oro when he camped those archives in his younger days.
Techniques require understanding to perform. Just because everybody knows the Substitution Technique doesn't mean they can all perform this.
Or, maybe they could, since as I said, we know nothing about it other than that it's forbidden.
edit: The following doesn't prove a point, but just for kicks, Oro had to gather samples from the First and Second to perform this - Third mentioned something about raiding their graves.
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I read the manga second and the reason I immediately did so after watching the episode was because the fight introduced about a half a dozen major plotholes. And sure enough, after reading the manga, I was able to confirm that none of those plotholes were because of Kishimoto's writing.
Haha. Didn't Naruto learn the shadow clone technique from a forbidden scroll? That's about as much as I respect anything forbidden in Naruto. If something's forbidden, it only means you don't want all manner of rogues and enemies to possess it - just like nukes of our world. But still lots of people are going to harbour it. If we believe half of what Madara told Sasuke, Konoha would use the technique readily if it really was as powerful as you said. And even if Madara was full of bs, Konoha would still use it in a tight spot.
Man, why doesn't that scroll ever come up again?
Who would use it? I don't even know who actually has access to this scroll.
As for "respect" of Forbidden Techniques being forbidden.. some have more than others.
Yours seems to be in league with Oro's.
Regarding the famous Shadow Clone, it's been explained that it was withheld due to concerns over the user's safety. (which I'm sure you remember)
Sage Jutsu would be a Forbidden Technique too, due to the potential dangers of people turning into frogs while trying, if it wasn't for the rarity of knowledge, teachers, or toad oil.
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In any case the sole reason for my arguments in the place is my dislike of that particular fight. And that dislike stems directly from the suggested h4x0r level of power of that resurrection jutsu. I mean, supposedly one could now resurrect Itachi with all of his equally h4x0r sharingan powers. Or Jiraiya. Or anybody at all, no matter how legendary, just at the cost of some noname person. And the fresh uber zombie would even obey you like a slave yet still possess all the skills. Don't you think that's just a bit unlikely?
There HAS to be a catch somewhere. Although I suppose you could be correct all along and they truly are mighty and powerful but their battery life will run out in 30 minutes. I'd be somewhat willing to accept that.
I do. Which is why, for one reason or another, we've only been shown it once.
The technique is either:
a) Not common knowledge, or
b) Not feasible by the common person.
Hmm. I didn't think of that one.
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This thread got pretty popular eh?
That doesn't seem very likely. At least from the perspective of Orochimaru's offer to Tsunade.
"If you heal my arms and provide me with two corpses, I can bring your boyfriend and your brother back from the dead....for a half hour."
Not a very good bargain.
I thought that resurrection jutsu was something that Orochimaru invented? So like, if he personally created the jutsu, then no one else other than him (and potentially Kabuto I guess) would have any idea of how it works.
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Like that ever stopped gotwoot of creating its own arbitrary rules for how they think it should work
Orochimaru is a major villain of the story. Anything he says should be taken just like MS's own evaluation of the Xbox 360's structural integrity.
Hey guys,
it's nice that you discuss forbidden jutsus and so on, but did you ever consider that Kishi just didnt think this far ahead? I mean, he came up with the Bijuu thing after introducing Gaara. He's just human, after all.
(Hope I won't get to many negativ reps, just b/c I doubted the master's voice)
You think so? Or did he say so?
Either way, didn't know that.
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