Man, why doesn't that scroll ever come up again?
Man, why doesn't that scroll ever come up again?
Who would use it? I don't even know who actually has access to this scroll.Originally Posted by Kraco
As for "respect" of Forbidden Techniques being forbidden.. some have more than others.
Yours seems to be in league with Oro's.
Regarding the famous Shadow Clone, it's been explained that it was withheld due to concerns over the user's safety. (which I'm sure you remember)
Sage Jutsu would be a Forbidden Technique too, due to the potential dangers of people turning into frogs while trying, if it wasn't for the rarity of knowledge, teachers, or toad oil.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
In any case the sole reason for my arguments in the place is my dislike of that particular fight. And that dislike stems directly from the suggested h4x0r level of power of that resurrection jutsu. I mean, supposedly one could now resurrect Itachi with all of his equally h4x0r sharingan powers. Or Jiraiya. Or anybody at all, no matter how legendary, just at the cost of some noname person. And the fresh uber zombie would even obey you like a slave yet still possess all the skills. Don't you think that's just a bit unlikely?
There HAS to be a catch somewhere. Although I suppose you could be correct all along and they truly are mighty and powerful but their battery life will run out in 30 minutes. I'd be somewhat willing to accept that.
I do. Which is why, for one reason or another, we've only been shown it once.
The technique is either:
a) Not common knowledge, or
b) Not feasible by the common person.
Hmm. I didn't think of that one.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
That doesn't seem very likely. At least from the perspective of Orochimaru's offer to Tsunade.
"If you heal my arms and provide me with two corpses, I can bring your boyfriend and your brother back from the dead....for a half hour."
Not a very good bargain.
Orochimaru is a major villain of the story. Anything he says should be taken just like MS's own evaluation of the Xbox 360's structural integrity.
Hey guys,
it's nice that you discuss forbidden jutsus and so on, but did you ever consider that Kishi just didnt think this far ahead? I mean, he came up with the Bijuu thing after introducing Gaara. He's just human, after all.
(Hope I won't get to many negativ reps, just b/c I doubted the master's voice)
You think so? Or did he say so?
Either way, didn't know that.
This thread got pretty popular eh?
I thought that resurrection jutsu was something that Orochimaru invented? So like, if he personally created the jutsu, then no one else other than him (and potentially Kabuto I guess) would have any idea of how it works.
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Like that ever stopped gotwoot of creating its own arbitrary rules for how they think it should work
fuck all the haters, I thought this episode was boss.
Filler bla bla bla well I'd rather a full 20 min fight that is more realized, since we are using a different medium that allows for more to go on.
Just cause they added scenes that weren't drawn doesn't detract from the story or make it "not what happened" it's expanding the story in a way that doesn't change the story.
The animation? GTFO if you criticize this team. Every single episode they've done has had weird moments, funky facial expressions, etc... it's a trademark, and it brings us fast action that doesn't look like Gai vs. Clones
Anyway ppl will never be pleased, this is one of the best shippuden eps, one of the top of all time I'm sure for many.
All in all i liked it alot!!! Now i'm upset we gotta wait 2 weeks ><
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lucky....
Bullshit it doesn't change the story!
I'm all for adding more action to a fight scene, but not when the additions are in direct violation of this previously established, half of which create straight up plot holes.
1. They gave the Kyuubi fire attacks. He doesn't have fire attacks. But they've never stated he DOESN'T have fire attacks, so this one isn't so bad.
2. They gave Pain water attacks. Even though they specifically stated each Pain is only able to use one specific kind of power. Giving him attacks not related to his Push/Pull powers is a plot hole. And the only reason they did that was so they could flood the battlefield. Because apparently, this animation team is completely incapable of creating any fight scene that doesn't take place on top of a lake.
3. They made Pain's Push field able to absorb a continuous barrage of attacks. After they went out of their way to establish that it has a 5 second recharge after repelling an attack. That is a plot hole. And considering that that was the weakness that Kakashi fucking DIED to discover, it's not just a plot hole, but a massive FUCK YOU to ignore it.
4. They made the last Pain able to withstand 20 times as much damage as the other 5. Some are using the excuse that it's a corpse, but if that mattered, then the other 5 wouldn't have all gone down in single attacks. Other's are saying "Well since it's the last/most important Pain, Nagato must making it extra tough". Guess what, if the viewer has to pull abilities out of their ass to explain why you did something, THAT'S A PLOT HOLE!
5. They adding a ton of scenes showing the Pain body becoming enraged or is shown struggling to use it's powers. This is in direct contrast to how its supposed to be. While Nagato main be angry or struggling, the Pains never show those reactions. Because the Pains do not mimic Nagato's movements, they do what he commands them to. So having Pain straining and screaming while he's trying to create that meteor means that Nagato would be commanding it to do that. Which would mean that while he's supposed to be concentrating on making his Meteor, he's using part of his focus to make his puppet making faces. Not really a plothole, but it undermines the eerieness of Pain being the villain that doesn't react to anything that happens.
So yeah, I'd say they did plenty to fuck up the story.
And sorry, but the animation WAS shit. The other episodes done by this team are great. In this one it is shit. It is NOT the same. And people are giving it a pass just because it's the same team when it is flat out not as good as their previous episodes.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Mon, 07-05-2010 at 10:32 PM.
just imo on this one. he sustained his push long enough to stop them all. the cooldown starts after that. he didnt push each individual one with its own push. the cooldown started after the first barrage, and the 2nd one hit him, because thats when he was on cooldown.
But that's also not how the power works.
It's not a force field bubble, it's literally a push. He blasts force outwards in all directions. It only deflects those attacks that were in the air when he activates the push. Like the second time he uses it, all those Konoha ninja attacked him at once and he was able to deflect all their attacks because they were all going to hit at once and all got blasted away by a single push.
Watch the episodes of Jiraiya invading Pain's village again. He uses a water jutsu then, and that wasn't the only jutsu not related to gravity that he has used. For example, he summoned the akatsuki statue back during the Gaara arc. The "each Pain can only use one power" is a supposition of the konoha ninjas that was never confirmed by Pain (the one who knows his powers better than anyone). Animal Realm, the body that supposedly can only summon, was seen using the substitution jutsu against Jiraiya, and I already checked it and it's not filler.
That was a weakness when Nagato was controlling all of the bodies at the same time. As we have seen when Nagato destroyed Konoha, the five sec rule won't always apply because he had to wait much more than that before he got his powers back. It is likely that the stronger the pull or push, the longer is the recharge time.3. They made Pain's Push field able to absorb a continuous barrage of attacks. After they went out of their way to establish that it has a 5 second recharge after repelling an attack. That is a plot hole. And considering that that was the weakness that Kakashi fucking DIED to discover, it's not just a plot hole, but a massive FUCK YOU to ignore it.
Pain had already survived direct hits from both Sage Naruto and Sage Jiraiya. They are extremely resistant to physical attacks. But wait, rasengan did the job, right? Well, that can be explained by how rasengan affects the insides of a person, which is a better way of destroying the black rods Nagato needs in order to control Pain. Pain does not feel any Pain, physical attacks, which was what the Kyuubi mainly used, seems not to work on him.4. They made the last Pain able to withstand 20 times as much damage as the other 5. Some are using the excuse that it's a corpse, but if that mattered, then the other 5 wouldn't have all gone down in single attacks. Other's are saying "Well since it's the last/most important Pain, Nagato must making it extra tough". Guess what, if the viewer has to pull abilities out of their ass to explain why you did something, THAT'S A PLOT HOLE!
This is funny considering the fact that we had way worse than this episode during this arc. Save for Pain vs Kakashi (which had bad art here and there but it was okay), this arc has been shit, plain and simple. This episode was one of the best ones and puts 163 and 164 (which looked like a slide-show episode) to shame.And sorry, but the animation WAS shit. The other episodes done by this team are great. In this one it is shit. It is NOT the same. And people are giving it a pass just because it's the same team when it is flat out not as good as their previous episodes.
Last edited by antiravage; Tue, 07-06-2010 at 12:26 PM.
I couldn't find the scene were he used water jutsu.can you please tell me wich ep/min is it?
well, but this is funny, too. you're telling this with your understanding of what art is and how an anime should look like. but you complain other opinions.
This is funny considering the fact that we had way worse than this episode during this arc. Save for Pain vs Kakashi (which had bad art here and there but it was okay), this arc has been shit, plain and simple. This episode was one of the best ones and puts 163 and 164 (which looked like a slide-show episode) to shame.
( actually this makes the whole discussion meaningless)
I liked 163's rough animation much better than 167's floating. and eg. Picasso's cubism isn't less artistic than artists who paint more detailed.
This? http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/368/12/
He just force pushed the clouds away, we just didn't know about his powers yet so it made it look like he had godly powers, just asAizenKishimoto planned
That... i can't explain it without spoiling but there's a reason for that
And ofc they can use the substitution jutsu, they can also walk on water and probably do a bunch of other basic ninja moves
Pain mentions the sage of the 6th paths all the time.
I think what is confusing people for them having one skill is "One Path skill of the 6 paths"
Which is why there is 6 of them.. Their element Chakra doesnt matter is my opinion. Meaning, they can use as many elements as they want, yes? Am I wrong here?
So Yahiko Pain can use Water, fire, earth, ice etc etc. That is my thoughts. No flames please.
As for Kyuubi having fire attacks, as a demon fox, wouldnt he know all about elements and certain skills, you know... being thousands of years old. :P
I don't see these plotholes other people see. I see continuation of the story.
Naruto official databook by Kishimoto:
Rain Tiger¹ at Will Technique (雨虎自在の術, Ukojizai no Jutsu)
Ninjutsu, No rank, Supplementary, All ranges
User: Pain
Is this heavenly net of rain, falling down and enclosing, the tears of a god grieving for his village?
A perception ninjutsu, allowing one to freely manipulate rain infused with the user's own chakra. In the village of Amegakure, it rains each week on Sunday... This rain falls from rain clouds, formed with Pain's own chakra. During this technique, the falling raindrops are closely linked to pain's senses. When the rain is obstructed by a chakra belonging to someone not of the village, the existence of the intruder can be detected. Also, in order to function in the "place" where the technique was invoked, the rain will keep on falling until Pain uses the seal to cancel it. Therefore, when Pain leaves the village, he always uses this technique, keeping a close eye on the village of Amegakure.
[picture of Pain using this technique]
→When Pain unleashes the technique, the rain falls. The hunt for intruders begins...
Covering the village is a strict, vigilant net!!
[picture of the rain falling down on Amegakure]
↑The rain seems convenient for infiltrating. However, it is a definite trap.
¹ The tiger is well-known for its ferocity and watchfulness. It keeps a very close guard on its cubs, watches vigilantly for an opportunity to catch its pray, and walks huge distances to patrol its territory.
Sealing Technique: Phantom¹ Dragons Nine Consuming Seals (封印術・幻龍九封尽, Fuuinjutsu: Genryuu Kyuufuujin)
Ninjutsu, Fuuinjutsu, S-rank, Supplementary
User: Pain
The captured jinchuuriki² are generally sealed inside this giant statue!
The users are ten of the greatest shinobi. With all members deeply concentrating, the sealing statue is started up and with the "absorption chakra" released from the mouth, the Bijuu's³ chakra is extracted and then sealed. The chakra of the "Bijuu" is massive; the invocation of this technique spans several days, even for Akatsuki-class users. For regular shinobi, even just starting up the statue would be impossible.
[picture of the nine dragons emerging from the statue's mouth]
[pictures of the statue's eyes opening]
←↑The "absorption chakra" is shaped into nine dragons and the chakra of the "Bijuu" is consumed and sealed. After the sealing is complete, the statue opens his eyes.
¹ The "gen" in "Genryuu" is the same as the "gen" in "genjutsu". It means "phantom" or "illusion" and although it is usually translated as "illusion," I went with "phantom" here since it fits better in my opinion; although the dragons are ethereal, they are not illusionary.
² Jinchuuriki (人柱力) means the "power of human sacrifice". They're the hosts of the Bijuu.
³ Bijuu (尾獣), the "Tailed Beasts".
These two techniques have nothing to do with gravity and yet the main Pain uses them.
So in other words, the konoha nins were wrong when they concluded they could only use their powers. One of the Pains using something other than his powers is enough for us to conclude that they were wrong.And ofc they can use the substitution jutsu, they can also walk on water and probably do a bunch of other basic ninja moves
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