Most of konoha nins are injured. Shikamaru has a broken leg, his dad looks tired and wounded etc. They may have survived Pain's big blast but that doesn't mean they are fresh and ready to fight. If they tried to help Naruto like Hinata did, it would only make the situation worse.Originally Posted by Kraco
True. And only Byakugan-users really know whats going on. the others don't know that Naruto is stabbed or how many Pains are still standing (I doubt Katsuyu is reporting all the time)
That makes me wonder, next to Sakura is also a Hyuuga, why doesn't he try to do something? If he's branch family his existance is none other then saving the head family members. If he's head family-member he still had to protect the heir of the family.. I can find no other explanation that the Hyuuga next to Sakura is slacking.
In my fanboy-ism I still can't accept het death until it is clearly confirmed (like with Kakashi), although I can't see any hope for her. Unless Kyuubi has like a breath of life or something silly like that.
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if that Hyuuga tells Sakura what happened and she's the one who rushes to Hinata's rescue. I don't think this is the end of Hinata... but a good way to leave the watcher craving the next scene.
Also, I saw some comments about how it seemed like Pain was waiting for this moment, well the answer to that may be pretty obvious. We all remember when Sasuke was able to enter Naruto's inner world via the Sharingan and face the Kyuubi, so it is fairly safe to assume that Pain can do the same with his Rinnegan, probably with even more abilities as well.
Something nobody has asked is what exactly did Hinata do at the end there with the chakra stick? She very obviously grabbed it and took some of the pulse, maybe she did something to sabotage it, hamper it, or otherwise transmit her own chakra into it...
The ending cliffhanger made me want to strangle the studio for not making this a 1hr episode... you can't leave it like that, dammit!
Will the next episode be another one of equally stunning quality animation? Or will it be from a different studio? I think I remember reading someone posted that this episode was by those who did the Lee-Gara epic.
Judging from the preview the same studio that did this ep will do the next.
I think she grabbed it and tried to pull it out, until the pulse disturbed her and she got thrown into the air (amazingly well done animation with the ragdoll effect, btw). She could barely stand, let alone do anything tactical with it. If it was Neji, he would've been able to zap the ship out of Nagato. I remember him saying that 'everything that has to do with chackra is useless agains Juuken'Something nobody has asked is what exactly did Hinata do at the end there with the chakra stick? She very obviously grabbed it and took some of the pulse, maybe she did something to sabotage it, hamper it, or otherwise transmit her own chakra into it...
Yeah it will be. If you still have part 1 episodes, you can use 30, 71, or 133 as a reference to what next week will be like. It's the same director as those episodes)
Only thing is, Pain's damn good at killing.
And if he's trying to make a point to Naruto, I don't see any reason to hold back.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
I'm not sure if Nagato's technique is the same as normal chakra. He's more or less infusing the dead bodies with life and controlling them via chakra recievers. And Nagato seemed to be just toying with her for a bit. If he sensed Neji was good, he might have just rag dolled him right away.
... ... I don't know why this comment made this click in my mind, but...
Point 1) They are killing off people left and right. Including popular named/major characters
Point 2) They AREN'T doing multiple episodes of build up and backstory the way they did with Jiraya and Asuma.
These two things had lead me to point three which was:
Point 3) I don't beleive the characters are really dead (which may just be the fan-boy in me)
When it was just Kakashi, I was holding out hope for 'its only a critical injury'. But with Hinata added in... However, Buffalobiian's dragonball comment made me realize the critical:
Point 4) Pain knows how to bring dead bodies back to life. Sure those we've seen are being controlled, but do those he brings back have to be controlled? Maybe not!
Which leads me to pont 5:
Point 5) Pain will bring Kakashi and Hinata back to life. I don't know why or how yet (I'm hoping for 'Naruto pounds on him until he agrees to do it'), but it will happen. (ok, that may be the fanboy in me again, but I'm gonna be hoping for it.)
If Pain brings them back to life, it will certainly not be from Naruto beating him into submission.
The problem I see with that is if Nagato can bring people back 100%, why doesn't he relinquish Yahiko's body and use a different one?
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Exactly. If he could bring Yahiko back to life for realreal I'm sure he would have.
I don't even think he can actually bring people back to life. Evidence seems to suggest that they bodies are just puppets. Corpses being controlled by chakra. The giant demon head seems to be able to repair the bodies if they become damaged, but doesn't actually bring them back to life.
I'm still not exactly sure which of Pains powers are from the Rinnegan at this point. It seems pretty obvious besides the shared perception thing that its also what allows him to generate the chakra waves that let him control his bodies.
Originally, I just thought that was it, and the different powers the different bodies had came from the bodies themselves. But since we now know that he just grabs a new body when one is lost and the new body gains the powers of the old one, it seems the powers of the individual bodies ALSO comes from the Rinnegan.
It's another stupid swiss army magic eye, just like the Sharingan...
Those people he has brought back seem little more than remote controlled zombies. They can't even work without those rods, I believe. At least we saw the summoner woman had no sense of pain, which strongly speaks for non-complete resurrection.
I personally wouldn't really like to see Kakashi and Hinata as enemy Pain soldiers. Mainly because whoever from Konoha would be fighting them would clichedly hesitate.
I agree. But I can hope.
We still don't know why/how Yahiko ended up a pain body in the first place. Nagato was the peaceful, non-violent one, so something clearly happened to him between the time Jiraya left them and the present to provoke such a drastic change in him, something that still hasn't really been covered in the inevitable flashback/exposition. If Yahiko was involved in that something, there may be good reasons not to bring him back fully.
The rods also suppress the person they are inserted in, preventing them from acting - thus his rendering Naruto harmess (pre-bezerk 9 tail explosion) by stabbing him with them. To me that suggests that he is using them to override the bodies in order to take control, rather then just a new and improved puppet chakra string, which in turn suggests there is something there that needs to be suppressed.Those people he has brought back seem little more than remote controlled zombies. They can't even work without those rods, I believe. At least we saw the summoner woman had no sense of pain, which strongly speaks for non-complete resurrection.
That's a bunch of assumptions. First of them being that there's anything to suppress in the dead bodies. Suppressing Naruto might mean nothing else than that they interfere with his normal bodily functions, which would surely make sense even if they were nothing but remote control devices for zombie soldiers. We have seen the Pain Jiraiya captured was quite comatose when Nagato was nowhere in vicinity and did absolutely nothing after the rods were removed and Nagato arrived.
To be annoying and argue semantics - there being something in the dead bodies that needs to be suppressed in the conclusion I am drawing, not an assumption. The statement that the rods suppress someone is an assumption - as you pointed out, it could be simple interference rather then true suppression and I presented no evidence to support that statement. But an assumption is something that is believed or thought to be true where no evidence, support, or proof has been provided - a conclusion based on presented material by definition cannot be one. The fact that the presented material contains assumptions as part of its evidence means it might be wrong, but its still a conclusion, not an assumption. And everything else I said there is drawing on what was said before it as evidence presented before it. Therefor, everything else is a conclusion - a faulty conclusion? Maybe. I hope not, because I want Kakashi and Hinata to live, but I'm certainly willing to accept that I might be wrong. But they are not assumptions.Ok, I'll stop being annoying now before folks break out the rotten fruit and tar and feathers.
remember the "Jiraiya's past" -episode? it showed all of Pain's bodies when they were still alive (i just rewatched it) and it seemed like some of them weren't even ninjas.
so it seems that it's just overpowered Rinnegan-power ;-)
Well, if you were just grasping for hope from every direction for the dead folk's sake, then I see your point. For my own part, since time immemorial I've believed in a good story also good guys must die. That's why I rarely hope to see seemingly dead people brought back, even if their demise initially pissed me off, like Hinata's did.
I agree that things like 'dragonballs' make death meaningless and actually damage a good story. Stories need risk, anguish etc so that they can have redemption or, at least, a moral.
That being said, I am part of the crowd that believe Hinata isn't dead: killing her is like kicking a puppy. Kakashi won't be coming back because he is actually useful. Hinata will survive because she isn't.
I'm still holding out for a Perverted Sage Byakugan user.
Man, they seriously need to add some kind of Mangekyou Byakugan because it's seriously weaksauce compared to the other two eye techniques.
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