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    I watched Thor and didn't see any Avengers footage at the end after the credits. They had a scene with Dr. Selvig, Loki, and Nick Fury (black Nick Fury is ridiculous) checking out a special energy source in a suitcase. Is that in reference to something in the Marvel universe?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Animeniax View Post
    I watched Thor and didn't see any Avengers footage at the end after the credits. They had a scene with Dr. Selvig, Loki, and Nick Fury (black Nick Fury is ridiculous) checking out a special energy source in a suitcase. Is that in reference to something in the Marvel universe?
    Well, that is the official "Ultimate"Nick Fury. He has been around for a while, and I kind of prefer him to the Earth 616 one.

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    Yes, but as the wiki article states: A reinterpretation of the character Nick Fury, one of the most notable differences between the two is that the mainstream Nick Fury is an Italian American colonel with graying brown hair, while this Nick Fury is a bald African American general, specifically tailored after actor Samuel L. Jackson with his permission.

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    Even the David Hasselhoff portrayal of Fury is better than the Samuel Jackson version.

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    I also prefer the Sam Jackson version of Fury, but thats probably because i've seen/read/played more stuff with him in it, so for me he is Nick Fury (also, i'm a big fan of Sam Jackson anyway so the fact that they actually made the black Fury in his image is just extra awesome :P)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Animeniax View Post
    ..while this Nick Fury is a bald African American general, specifically tailored after actor Samuel L. Jackson with his permission.[/i]
    actually no:
    The more familiar Samuel L. Jackson-inspired design did not appear until Nick Fury resurfaced in the 2002 series The Ultimates.

    Actor Samuel L. Jackson did not originally give his consent for Marvel Comics to use his likeness in their redesign of the Fury character for The Ultimates[9], and first appeared with this revised look in The Ultimates #1, as drawn by Bryan Hitch. The similarity is even noted within the comic itself, in a scene in which the Ultimates discuss who they think should play each of them in a hypothetical movie about the team. Fury's answer for himself is "Mr. Samuel L. Jackson, of course, no discussion." It was only after seeing the redesigned Nick Fury in the first issue of The Ultimates that Samuel L. Jackson learned of the use of his likeness and contacted Marvel in order to secure the role of Nick Fury in any future Marvel movies.
    They used his likeness way before they got "permission"
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    I just don't like the Earth 616's weird bodysuit, super ridiculous technology (and that is saying something) and the fact that he almost never really appears before someone. He is always sending out his "Life Model Decoys". At least Ultimate Fury gets his hands dirty from time to time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkshadow View Post
    actually no:


    They used his likeness way before they got "permission"
    Shrug, I didn't edit that wiki article. Who's to say the wiki article you quoted isn't equally wrong and the first article has it right? Besides, the first article does say it was "specifically tailored after Samuel Jackson". The "with his permission" could have come after the fact, there is no continuity purported in the statement.

    Either way, the original Nick Fury was cooler, and whiter.


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    How was he cooler? and how is being whiter a good argument as to why he is better? you know what? disregard the second question, i forgot for a second you`re animeniax.
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    Apparently he knew And I will agree with you on the latter point, but not the former. What does he need all those pouches for, anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UChessmaster View Post
    How was he cooler? and how is being whiter a good argument as to why he is better? you know what? disregard the second question, i forgot for a second you`re animeniax.
    You would have had to have read the original comics to know how cool the original Nick Fury was. He had a badass-laidback-demeanor-because-he-knows-he's-a-badass kind of demeanor. I can't say if the new Nick Fury has that kind of persona or not, but judging from the movies he doesn't.

    And I like Samuel Jackson and this isn't about race, just don't like how everything is being re-written to be more diverse and politically correct. Make new characters of color, stop changing the characters of my youth to match your new world view.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Animeniax View Post
    You would have had to have read the original comics to know how cool the original Nick Fury was. He had a badass-laidback-demeanor-because-he-knows-he's-a-badass kind of demeanor. I can't say if the new Nick Fury has that kind of persona or not, but judging from the movies he doesn't.

    And I like Samuel Jackson and this isn't about race, just don't like how everything is being re-written to be more diverse and politically correct. Make new characters of color, stop changing the characters of my youth to match your new world view.
    Well, I have read both versions of Marvel extensively, and there are some similarities between the two Furys, but I would hardly say that Ultimate Fury is PC. He also seems to be a bit more ruthless and manipulative (if not downright villainous at times). He also seems to be more charismatic and likes to deal with people more than the standard Fury A lot of the Ultimate characters are quite different from the standard roster, and the movies tend to blend the two main continuities. I am curious as to how big of a role Fury will play in the Avengers.


    FYI, if you don't like them changing the ethnicity of characters, then you probably will hate ultimate wasp & the 2nd Ultimate Black Widow. I must say though...I am mixed on Tyrone Cash...he does not look all that strong and imposing.

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    There are characters that mattered, and then the lesser characters like the Wasp whose ethnicity doesn't matter because the character was minor. In the big scheme of things, Nick Fury was a minor character, so maybe I'm upset because it's Mace Windau in the role. If it had been any other black actor, I might be ok with the character change. Denzel Washington kind of looks like a black original Nick Fury.


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    Well, in the Ultimate books, he is one of (if not THE) the major characters, so it is kind of weird that they did not go with an original character design, but I guess I have gotten used to it.

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    Weird, since I don't recall that he had any super powers and wasn't even a mutant. He was just head of Shield and a government agent.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Animeniax View Post
    Weird, since I don't recall that he had any super powers and wasn't even a mutant. He was just head of Shield and a government agent.
    In the regular marvel continuity, he doesn't age due to the "infinity formula". In the Ultimate line, he was a guinea pig for the super soldier serum, doesn't age and also has some limited super strength and a healing factor.

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    I just can't get excited for comic book movies anymore. Give it 10 years, maybe, when we move past the perez/byrne era endless origin retellings and, I dunno, go back to adapting some good comics that aren't about superheroes punching each other.

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    Can't wait for this, enjoyed Ironman, Thor and Captain America, hope this is even better again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y View Post
    I just can't get excited for comic book movies anymore. Give it 10 years, maybe, when we move past the perez/byrne era endless origin retellings and, I dunno, go back to adapting some good comics that aren't about superheroes punching each other.
    I see where you're coming from, but they're fun to kill time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carnage View Post
    I see where you're coming from, but they're fun to kill time.
    Me too. I don't look forward to them so much since they're made so often and all kind of follow familiar ground, but I do enjoy them for the senseless fun and reminders of my youth.

    My favorite superhero movie is The Watchmen.


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