Naruto Chapter 497

[Death BOO Z]

having Kyuubi turn into naruto's friend just because he got beat up.. that seems more like slavery, I know it's shonen formula (Neji, Gaara, and the list should go on), but even then, they did got over some issues in their life as a result.
I'd hate to see a flashback of Kyuubi's abused childhood.

Gaara, plot hole as he may be, did have some sort of snycro with his demon, even if it was since they were both crazy, it was a partnership.
but KillerBee is a better example. the 8-tails shouldn't be significantly weaker then the 9tails, and Bee did go through the same process. Bee and the 8tails seem to be sort of friends, there's no 'ownership' vibe between them. I can't see how that evolves through Killerbee slamming on the demon and hitting him.

I can't see any 'reasonable' (yeah, I know) or 'right' way for this thing to end as simple violence. it's counter-intuitive to the message of the story. Naruto has to start his messiah path by dealing with the kyuubi. he can either talk things out, hugg and promise the demon things will be fine or do something else. wailing on the damage isn't the correct approch here.

Idea: Naruto takes all the kyuubi hatred and says that he'll carry that burden of hate, so the kyuubi is free to his own will.

but that won't happen.

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

Question... what made Gaara a plothole?

[Sam98034]

Yeah. As far as Gaara, when his tailed beast came out, it was more or less a goofball character, not evil incarnate. The sand and stuff was just the tailed beast protecting itself automatically, while gaara also used some of his own chakra to control the sand as well. I don't believe Gaara was ever tapping into the Bijuu chakra directly, only when he let the Bijuu take over him through transformation.

As far as Kyuubi, I can see how kicking his ass would change things, though. Right now Naruto is just some weakling using the Kyuubi to save his ass. The Kyuubi, of course, doesn't respect him in the least. He's just caged in his body and has to come save the person keeping him prisoner every now and then. What a crappy existence. If they are equally strong, though, it can be a mutually beneficial relationship. Naruto can save the Kyuubi's ass as well. Not only that, Naruto would be free to let the Kyuubi out of its cage more often since the Kyuubi won't run off willy nilly now that Naruto can overtake its influence. Basically, more freedom for Kyuub + less resentment = better attitude.

[itadakimasu]

kyuubi eye vs sharingan... plz no.

[Lucifus]

Am I the only one who completely thought this chapter was ridiculous?

Who the f*ck is the weakling joke of Naruto to take on the Kyuubi one on one for even a few seconds....

And where the hell did he get super duper gigantic sized abilities from?

And then.....Hi mom....wtf...

[shinta|hikari]

You are (not) alone.

[Sidnne]

Am I the only one who completely thought this chapter was ridiculous?

Who the f*ck is the weakling joke of Naruto to take on the Kyuubi one on one for even a few seconds....

And where the hell did he get super duper gigantic sized abilities from?

And then.....Hi mom....wtf...

Since when is Naruto a weakling? And why shouldn't he be able to battle the Kyuubi considering its not a physical battle, but a spirit battle INSIDE of Naruto in which only half of the Kyuubi's chakra is sealed? If this is Naruto's world, the Kyuubi is only at half chakra, and it is probably further weakened from having been sealed for the past 17 years, then I don't see any reason why he can't put up a fight with the Kyuubi.

He has done giant rasengans before. This one was just bigger because he used sage mode this time.

You're confused by his mother showing up? That's called a cliffhanger. The explanation comes later. You're supposed to wonder about it until then.

If you think this is ridiculous, then I wouldn't recommend you read Bleach.

[Sam98034]

Hey, I'm with him as far as ridiculousness. And it shouldn't be just in Naruto's head, it should be both their consciousnesses entangled. Assuming that the Kyuubi can no longer bend Naruto's mind to his will using "hate" to cloud Naruto's mind, I would still say that the 9-tails has an advantage over Naruto mentally.

We, of course, are not assuming that Naruto is taking on the Kyuubi physically, instead, we are assuming that Naruto's mental prowess is going to trump the Kyuubi's. Given the 9-tails age and power, I would say the 9-tails has the edge, mentally.

The only way I see Naruto winning this battle is simply pure stubborness and an unwillingness to bend to the left or to the right, no matter what reasoning or logic you throw at him. Basically, Naruto would rather kill them both (suicide) than have the 9-tails win. Kyuubi is smart enough to know that Naruto is determined (or stupid) enough to do it, so he will probably accept defeat. That's the only way I see Naruto winning a mental battle here.

[Sidnne]

Hey, I'm with him as far as ridiculousness. And it shouldn't be just in Naruto's head, it should be both their consciousnesses entangled. Assuming that the Kyuubi can no longer bend Naruto's mind to his will using "hate" to cloud Naruto's mind, I would still say that the 9-tails has an advantage over Naruto mentally.

We, of course, are not assuming that Naruto is taking on the Kyuubi physically, instead, we are assuming that Naruto's mental prowess is going to trump the Kyuubi's. Given the 9-tails age and power, I would say the 9-tails has the edge, mentally.

The only way I see Naruto winning this battle is simply pure stubborness and an unwillingness to bend to the left or to the right, no matter what reasoning or logic you throw at him. Basically, Naruto would rather kill them both (suicide) than have the 9-tails win. Kyuubi is smart enough to know that Naruto is determined (or stupid) enough to do it, so he will probably accept defeat. That's the only way I see Naruto winning a mental battle here.

So... you're saying you'll only be satisfied if the manga ends here?

[isso]

So... you're saying you'll only be satisfied if the manga ends here?

Lol, that would be great, next chapter, Naruto dies = story over.

- (Naruto) Now you'll be my biiii-atch Kyubi-kun...

- (Kyobi) Who is this guy?

***Kyubi crushes naruto with his dark chakra blast***

- (Naruto) AAAAAaaaaaa.......

***Blackness.***

Story over.

[Uchiha Barles]

Meh. Naruto fought and defeated Pain. Naruto is in the top tier of ninja now, whether you enjoyed how he got there or not. None stronger than him remain in his village, possibly not in any of the villages. It's about time he faced off against Kyubi.

[Sam98034]

So... you're saying you'll only be satisfied if the manga ends here?

What do you mean? I simply said that Naruto is fighting the Kyuubi mentally, and the only way I see him winning is through pure stubborness as opposed to Naruto having the superior intellectual dominance. I think it would be a bit unrealistic if Naruto wins because he has an overpowering mind compared to the Kyuubi's, and it would be kind of lame if Naruto wins the battle through Hug No Jutsu. I'm hoping neither are the case, that's all.

[depthcharge]

Meh. Naruto fought and defeated Pain. Naruto is in the top tier of ninja now, whether you enjoyed how he got there or not. None stronger than him remain in his village, possibly not in any of the villages. It's about time he faced off against Kyubi.

You know where the Lee fan clubs are at? They think that Lee is the stronger ninja.

[Sam98034]

Sage Naruto might be as fast as Lee...I don't know. But who do you guys think has more determination, Lee or Naruto?