One Piece Episode 449

[DarthEnderX]

Blackbeard's darkness only works when he's touching you. And he specifically says it doesn't negate attacks, it absorbs them and he takes the damage. Why would it work on Ace's fireballs? Even if he grabs Ace, the fireballs just become normal fire, they don't vanish.

But I haven't seen a single instance of Haki being used to negate a Devil's fruit power other than someone's invulnerability. So I find it more likely that Haki can penetrate invulnerability rather than negate Fruit powers. I don't see anyone using Haki to turn a Zoan back into a human or to negate any other Paramecia powers. It's only allowed attack that the target should have been immune to work.

[Sentenal]

Blackbeard's darkness only works when he's touching you. And he specifically says it doesn't negate attacks, it absorbs them and he takes the damage. Why would it work on Ace's fireballs? Even if he grabs Ace, the fireballs just become normal fire, they don't vanish.

But I haven't seen a single instance of Haki being used to negate a Devil's fruit power other than someone's invulnerability. So I find it more likely that Haki can penetrate invulnerability rather than negate Fruit powers. I don't see anyone using Haki to turn a Zoan back into a human or to negate any other Paramecia powers. It's only allowed attack that the target should have been immune to work.

Haki apparently nullified Luffy being Rubber, which is his power.

[UChessmaster]

I just assumed it was mind control. Though it could be something like invisible strings or bone control or something crazy like that.

If i remember correctly Don Flamingo took control of Bellamy to fight his subordinate, when his subordinate asked him why, he said something along the lines that he can`t control his movements.

[DarthEnderX]

Haki apparently nullified Luffy being Rubber, which is his power.

I don't know why people seem to be jumping to that conclusion. Somebody hit Luffy with Haki and he got hurt.

Why do people automatically assume that he became not-rubber all of a sudden instead of simply that he was hurt despite the fact that he was rubber?

When he was fighting Blackbeard it was obvious. He was in second gear and you could see the color and the steam fade as soon as Blackbeard grabbed him, and you could see second gear return soon after Blackbeard let him go.

Against Sentomaru, Luffy is bouncing around and Sentomaru hits him, and it hurts him. But I don't see any evidence that he became not-rubber when he was hit.

[Sentenal]

I don't know why people seem to be jumping to that conclusion. Somebody hit Luffy with Haki and he got hurt.

Why do people automatically assume that he became not-rubber all of a sudden instead of simply that he was hurt despite the fact that he was rubber?

When he was fighting Blackbeard it was obvious. He was in second gear and you could see the color and the steam fade as soon as Blackbeard grabbed him, and you could see second gear return soon after Blackbeard let him go.

Against Sentomaru, Luffy is bouncing around and Sentomaru hits him, and it hurts him. But I don't see any evidence that he became not-rubber when he was hit.

Except Luffy gives the exact same reaction in both cases? What about when Garp hit him in Water 7? Luffy's ability to be rubber should make him not feel pain from getting bludgeoned, but he still felt pain in all those instances.

[DarthEnderX]

Why would Luffy's reaction be different in either instance?

Regardless of whether a Haki punch negated his fruit powers and made him feel the punch or the Haki punch hurts someone even if they would normally be unaffected by it, the end result for Luffy is the same.

[Splash!]

Why would Luffy's reaction be different in either instance?

Regardless of whether a Haki punch negated his fruit powers and made him feel the punch or the Haki punch hurts someone even if they would normally be unaffected by it, the end result for Luffy is the same.

I think your theory of Haki being an attack on the spirit vs an attack that negates devil fruit abilities is not as far fetched as some are claiming. In fact, it makes alot of sense.

That being said, I dont think Magellan is a Logia. Luffy's haki is definitely stronger, as evidenced on Amazon Lily, but it is not at a point where he can inflict physical damage on a Logia. 2 reasons:
- I think Magellan would have made a bigger deal if a paramecia type was able land a hit on him, a Logia user.
- Luffy cant just use an ability that he doesnt understand. He had no idea how Sentoumaru hurt him. Being able to release his haki in an uncontrolled manner does not equate to executing a focused haki attack like Rayleigh.