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    Manga: Rosario+Vampire


    Genres: Action, Comedy, Ecchi, Fantasy, Romance, School, Shounen, Vampire, Supernatural, Harem

    Authors: Ikeda, Akihisa (Story & Art)

    Summary:
    Tsukune Aono is a normal high school freshman who is unable to get into any private school, due to his dismal grades. The only school he is finally accepted into turns out to be a secret school for supernatural monsters and mythical creatures (yōkai), who are disguised as humans. He quickly becomes friends with the beautiful Moka Akashiya, who turns out to be a vampire attracted to the sweet taste of his blood (and Tsukune's only, it turns out). While at first Moka was upset upon discovering that Tsukune was actually a human, she realizes that he's the first real friend she had ever made. Tsukune quickly realizes his admission into a monster school must have been a mistake and fears for his life.
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    Chapter 29 is out from R+V Season II, so I'll start from there.




    It seems that "Outer" Moka's appearance is startling like her mother Akasha. Tsukune and Mizore noticed it immediately. Others have mentioned that Akasha disappeared around the time the rosary-seal was made for Moka. I have to wonder if Outer Moka isn't just a split off personality, but is in fact her mother, but using Moka's memories. The little gnome-like guy who was about to repair the seal mentioned something shocking to him, but didn't go into detail before they got sucked in. Thoughts?

    Another thing I noticed in the recent chapters is that Outer and Inner Moka are starting to become more like each other. Inner Moka has been getting more exposure to Tsukune and the others through the seal, and as she mentioned, feels she is getting "softer." Which is true, she is less single minded, and is obviously thinking a great deal more about Tsukune. On the other hand, Outer Moka isn't as purely altruistic as she usually is. She gets angry...well, cross anyway, more frequently, and acts a bit more selfishly.

    Lastly, it is kind of hard to call Tsukune "human" anymore, since he can sense yoki now and can control his own well enough to not shatter seals on the bracelet anymore. With his ghoulification getting more and more developed, I find it kind of tough to consider him human anymore.


    ...and Rubi is becoming more of a pervert with every volume. I laughed really hard when she was so dead serious about the girls not falling to the temptation of rubbing themselves all over with cream during Home Ec.

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    I've considered some hypothesis myself and I've found it more likely that she did seal part of herself in her daughter and that led to her outer personality to resemble her so much. That is not to say they're the same person, maybe some of her personality got through since they both seem so kind but I'm sure they're still different people.

    They are indeed changing but i don't think it has anything to do with merging personalities, it's just that Tsukume's presence in both their lives influenced them in such a way. They were always alone and now they're surrounded by friends, a change in character is a given.

    Who cares? Humans are lame. The way things are going I'd be surprised if he didn't become a full fledged vampire before all this was over

    Yes i love her too

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    What I find of particular interest in this series (aside from all the excessively cute girls) is Tsukune's power level. He's exceedingly powerful for somebody being ghoulified. Not that I'd be complaing, of course.

    Another interesting thing is how rarely Inner Moka seems to enjoy Tsukune's blood. The Outer Moka obviously did that simply because it tasted so good but being more serious and self-controlled, the Inner one doesn't. However, if she's really becoming more like the Outer personality, will she begin to drink snacks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    What I find of particular interest in this series (aside from all the excessively cute girls) is Tsukune's power level. He's exceedingly powerful for somebody being ghoulified. Not that I'd be complaing, of course.

    Another interesting thing is how rarely Inner Moka seems to enjoy Tsukune's blood. The Outer Moka obviously did that simply because it tasted so good but being more serious and self-controlled, the Inner one doesn't. However, if she's really becoming more like the Outer personality, will she begin to drink snacks?
    Yes, it's getting exceedingly rare to find harems without useless main characters so to have a badass vampire / ladies man to look up to while still being able to enjoy a good plot is something we should all be grateful for

    She's just too proud to ask him for it herself. If he was pimp enough to offer it though I'm sure she'd treat him like an all you can eat buffet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    What I find of particular interest in this series (aside from all the excessively cute girls) is Tsukune's power level. He's exceedingly powerful for somebody being ghoulified. Not that I'd be complaing, of course.

    Another interesting thing is how rarely Inner Moka seems to enjoy Tsukune's blood. The Outer Moka obviously did that simply because it tasted so good but being more serious and self-controlled, the Inner one doesn't. However, if she's really becoming more like the Outer personality, will she begin to drink snacks?
    They mentioned that once injected with blood, a human either dies or become a ghoul. His strength is on par with a vampire (which is why they passed him off as one to the other students and occasional enemies), but without the lock, he goes berserk until he feeds on blood and eventually degenerates and dies. The difference was that he would be as strong as Inner Moka, but each time he would shatter a lock. Now he can control it somewhat, and focus all the energy into one arm, keeping it away from the lock that keeps him sane.

    I would say that the primary reason Inner Moka never drank his blood is that Outer Moka usually would after she returned. Their body would be exhausted from Inner Moka exerting herself (or even just one kick). She'd go right for his neck as a reward. After Inner Moka came out for longer periods and more often, I think Arch is right, she's too prideful to admit she wants it. She likes him just as much, but her ego is in the way. The more open and cheerful Outer personality lacks such inhibitions.

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    Lets see if i can come up with a few questions that popped into my mind as i read this:

    - Any theories as to why Tsukume is the only one who can remove the rosary? That "in sync" explanation inner moka gave sounded very sketchy

    - Was Ruby always a masochist? Because it came to a complete shock to me when Yukari brought it up in the doppelganger arc

    - Has anyone else considered that the bus driver might be the third of the three great dark rulers? It's crossed my mind a couple of times...

    - What's the deal with Hokuto? Good, evil, what?

    - Who are your favorite girls?

    ... i'll think of some more eventually, i'll leave you with these for now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    - Any theories as to why Tsukume is the only one who can remove the rosary? That "in sync" explanation inner moka gave sounded very sketchy
    I can barely remember the reason she gave. I had always figured it was because Outer Moka liked him from the start (due to his tasty blood) and the fact that he said he liked her. Or something like he was human...I never really cared much to be honest.

    - Was Ruby always a masochist? Because it came to a complete shock to me when Yukari brought it up in the doppelganger arc
    I think they mentioned it somewhere in an omake. I don't really remember that omake too well, but her master used to torture her too, so she probably first got it from there. Though it showed up the same time she started working for the headmaster, so perhaps the drastic improvement of her life had an additional effect. Rubi, "let loose," all the discipline and oppression she had under her master's tutelage, and has become completely uninhibited. She's a bit of an exhibitionist now too...

    - Has anyone else considered that the bus driver might be the third of the three great dark rulers? It's crossed my mind a couple of times...
    I hadn't thought about it because we never really knew that there was such a thing as the three great dark rulers until the last few chapters, but now that they have, either he is, or the leader of Fairy Tale is. The bus driver is the only one who can easily cross the barrier, and he can also come out anywhere in Japan.

    - Who are your favorite girls?
    Moka (both kinds), Kurumu, Rubi. In that order. Mizore, Yukari and Kokoa aren't as interesting. If there was any hope of her becoming a recurring character, I'd probably add the Siren, Sun, but I can't see her coming back more than once.

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    <@Alhuin> Is Vampire mode Tsukune stronger than Moka?
    <@Arkangel> Lol
    <@Arkangel> Fuck no
    <@Arkangel> I'm not even sure if he's stronger than Moka's younger sister
    I don't think it is so clear cut.

    Tsukune's punch is at least as strong as Moka's high-kick. I think that physically, he may be stronger than Moka. Her aura makes her very strong, but Tsukune has already displayed strength that surpasses her on a few occasions. Where he falls behind is technique and experience. That alone has made Moka very strong. Kokoa on the other hand is similar, she only has super strength to her benefit. She's pretty weak as far as vampires go. Tsukune is definitely stronger than her, since they haven't bothered to limit Kokoa's power in any way (both Moka and Kahlua have limiters).

    If you had to rank the characters in terms of useful combat ability (ascending scale):

    Yukari
    Rubi
    Kokoa
    Kurumu & Mizore (they always fight together now)
    Tsukune
    Kahlua
    Moka
    Akuha
    ...
    ...
    Sun-sempai

    I tentatively put Akuha above Moka from what we've seen, but they still mention that Moka is fairly rare among her kind. Her silver hair marks her as a super vampire, far stronger than the average vampire. However, Akuha exhibits the same skills that make Moka stronger than Tsukune: technique and experience. She obviously surpasses Moka in that by a huge margin. Sun of course is stronger than anyone in the series. Unless the opponent assassinates her outright from a distance, Sun would destroy her opponent before they even realized that combat had already begun. They showed that even Moka would easily have died at the hands of the other siren if not for Sun's protection, while Sun had been attacking from the very moment she began to defend.

    Lastly, there is a key thing that makes Tsukune stronger than most vampires, he is still human. He has none of the associated weaknesses, and most of the same strengths. If they fought in the rain or another body of water for instance, Tsukune could effortlessly defeat Moka, and would likely have quite the advantage over even Akuha. Her martial arts skill would still be a factor, but it is tough to fight when perpetually subjected to electric shocks.


    (Fong is a complete wild card, so I don't think he is rankable yet. I also did not count in Kurumu's illusion attacks because we haven't seen their effects on vampires for an accurate comparison.)

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    Rosario + Vampire II - chapter 31 || RS SS


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    Well, I certainly didn't see that coming before this chapter. I was convinced the bus driver was the third. Not only that, Akasha is by far the strongest of them. They're setting up a pretty good final fight matchup now. Moka versus Akua and Tsukune against the two guys he's fought before in Fairy Tale.

    I guess the bigger question now is whether Akua gets some of Akasha's blood, if both of them do, or if only Moka does. There's the potentional for neither of them to get it, but I find that extremely unlikely given what Akua has admitted to. She obviously doesn't want to turn into a monster by drinking the other one, she wants the one's who was strong enough to beat it.

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    Kurumu's ability was unexpected but from it makes perfect sense the way she said it.

    Akua vs Akasha...I do think that Akua will win but that due to someone's intervention Moka drinks the blood of Akasha. Would also explain why Akua would be attacking Fong's clan ( if that's his name. I cant remember ) I mean if she is with Fairy Tail she would know where Moka would be heading. Makes sense that she'd want to drain Moka of her blood to get the power of Shinso from her that way.Or she finds out the power of Shinso would be in Moka since Akasha is her mother.

    Also I don't think Tsukune will be able to stay out of it. Since Kurumu will get into Moka's memory like the others, I'd expect her to screw something up that would endanger her forcing Tsukune & co to help her. Perhaps save Moka in some way.

    Would be funny to see afterwards if she does wake up with those memories of Tsukune saving her while she was 10.
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    I felt it was a bit weird not for her to have such an ability but to claim she had never used it seeing as from what i know of the myth it's pretty much the succubus main ability. Also, I can possibly see Kurumu arriving in the middle of it and interrupting the whole flashback postponing the answers to all of Ryll's questions a bit longer

    Alucard... not the most original name for a vampire but it works, and that monstrous figure seems like something Akua would take in order to fulfill her goals

    But damn this whole chapter was a surprise after another, THIS is how you make a monthly series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    I felt it was a bit weird not for her to have such an ability but to claim she had never used it seeing as from what i know of the myth it's pretty much the succubus main ability.
    Perhaps it is only something an adult succubus uses. There is the chance that Kurumu won't be able to control it properly or some other issue with it.

    The way she described it, compared to her usual charm and illusion abilities, it's not a particularly useful skill. In R+V, succubi need to find a compatible mate who they permanently bond to. Aside from another facet of seduction that would assist in acquiring that mate, it doesn't sound like a skill that they would need to use very often.

    EDIT:
    Also, with Akasha being both a Dark Lord and a Shinso, it makes a lot more sense now about the much earlier description of Moka being, 'special among even the special class of monsters that vampires are.' She's a super-vampire in every way possible.

    Expanding on my previous post, the biggest surprise was that Akasha was one of the Dark Lords. The other two, the Headmaster and the old geezer are specialists in purification and sealing. The last thing I expected in someone who is considered one of the Dark Lords is an offensive powerhouse. They cast them as humans/monsters who specialized in the regulation and control of the balance between monsters and humans.
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    True, the mere fact that a Sucubus in R+V's universe has a "1 man rule" should be enough for me to throw any previous misconceptions i might have had about that particular demon

    She was already a super vampire but apparently she's also a Shinso? No, she couldn't be. If she was Akua would be hunting her day and night for her powers.

    It makes sense though, when fighting Alucard they most probably had Akasha holding it off while the other 2 performed supportive magic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    She was already a super vampire but apparently she's also a Shinso? No, she couldn't be. If she was Akua would be hunting her day and night for her powers.

    It makes sense though, when fighting Alucard they most probably had Akasha holding it off while the other 2 performed supportive magic
    I think NeoCybercoin may have a point though. Akua and Fairy Tale are at the Fong's for some reason, getting some of Moka's blood may just be it. Their plans are suddenly coming to fruition, and Kahlua recently admitted that she wasn't the only sister that had been brought into Fairy Tale. With the rest of the monster world in chaos because of all the other operations they have going on, now may be the opportune time to go for Moka. She's away from one of the Dark Lords, and though she may have gone to another one of them, she's certainly no longer in the barrier that surrounds the school.

    It makes sense in this chapter after learning about Alucard, but before we knew about that, there was never any reason to suspect that someone like Akasha, much less any vampire, was the third Dark Lord, much less the leader of them. This chapter was full of foreshadowing that it was Akasha, but there wasn't any prior to this one.

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    If that were true they wouldn't have tried to crash the plane to stop them from getting to China. No, i'm convinced there's some other reason why Akua is there, maybe because they need the power of the Otaku Dark Lord

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    If that were true they wouldn't have tried to crash the plane to stop them from getting to China.
    You forget about those two formerly from Antithesis who were waiting on a boat in the water. They plan was for the plane to crash in the water, where they would then recover Moka.
    http://www.onemanga.com/Rosario-Vampire_II/28/02/

    Hokuto's (the lying president) and Kyria's (goat eye bastard) goal as members of Fairy Tale was to capture Moka.

    When that plan failed, Akua went herself.

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    The way they mention it makes it look like capturing Moka was just Kyria's personal objective, most likely for revenge after she handed his ass to him last time they met

    The fact that Hokuto was planning to warn Tsukune about something supports this

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    Rosario+Vampire ch 32

    Since I don't wanna spoil anything just highlight to read.

    Wow, that didn't last as long as I hoped it would. But I think I got it right about Moka being a Shino. Well partially anyway. When she said that Moka nearly died at birth I think she meant with blood loss or something. Would explain Moka's current powers if her mother gave Moka her own blood. I mean they always said Moka was a true vampire with her silver hair and all.

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