Originally Posted by RyougaZell
Makes me glad I don't watch the anime religiously anymore.
Makes me glad I don't watch the anime religiously anymore.
Here's a thought: The thing Itachi gave Naruto might have the purpose of simply saving Naruto when Naruto is ready to die. So if Naruto does fight Sasuke and tries to pull the shonen version of Romeo and Juliette, that power Itachi gave Naruto will activate and stop Naruto from dying somehow.
Why would Itachi do this? Originally I thought that Itachi gave him that power simply because he was sure that Naruto would not seek to bring harm to Sasuke. But in hindsight, that just seems like me underestimating Itachi. Instead, Itachi recognized Naruto's resolve to try every thing in his power to not have to kill Sasuke. The same kind of resolve that might've saved the Uchiha clan had the Konoha leaders of the time had it. The same kind of resolve that might "save the ninja world", whatever that means in this story.
Interesting...maybe Itachi forsaw Sasuke asking for his eyes after his death and the jutsu he left in Naruto would activate once Sasuke tries to use Itachi's Sharingan on Naruto?
Itachi did value Konoha above his own clan, perhaps the jutsu would grant Naruto some kind of Sharingan immunity? I would also imagine it would somehow save Sasuke as well since we need a cop out ending....
Also, if Sakura had the wherewithal to poison her own weapons, why couldn't she fabricate some kind of non-lethal paralyzing poison to bring Sasuke in alive? Aw...whatever she's useless now.
Last edited by DeathscytheVII; Fri, 03-19-2010 at 07:56 PM.
I like where it is going with Itachi's eyes and what Itachi did to Naruto. I hope it turns out to be amazing, its one of the story lines that is keeping me on the edge of my seat. I hope it will be all worth it.
It hasn't been all great, but there is some future potential here for sure.
I think that Naruto will be able to nullify the MS somehow thanks to Itachi. I mean he can already heal himself with the nine tails chakra, and he has natural energy, what more could he need? Or maybe it is just a message to Sasuke from Itachi?
assertnfailure (7:40:03 PM): dude....your posts are a bunch of nonsense
I hope Kabuto starts playing an important part in this story again.
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I hate that resolution. I know that's what's gonna happen. and I hate it.
Itachi, the resident asshole, is going to be the driving force behind this shit plot.
not only that they threw Naruto's story inside the Uchiha storyline (oh, so you thought Payne was the big guy, since he himself was a messiah figure, and was thought by Jiraya, just like Naruto? well, screw you, he's dead, and has nothing to contribute to the story). the final victory of Naruto over Sasuke is also going to belong to Itachi.
Naruto, as the main character (and us, the readers, by extension) has no idea what's happening. there's a big, fat plotline that the story follows rigorously, and Naruto has nothing to do with it, and all he's gonna do is take Sasuke's beating until Itachi comes out (from the seed he planted within Naruto, when he violated him earlier) and uses his mega-uchiha power to save his shit bro.
Naruto doesn't have anything to do with this storyline. the whole thing revolves around generations of Uchiha being jerks and getting everyone involved in their petty vendettas.
I want Sasuke dead before the final arc. but that will never happen, because the entire last issue will be all about Sasuke.
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Wait a second... you thought Pain was the main bad guy?
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Even thought I don't think this has been confirmed, Naruto is probably a member of the Senju lineage. Now, Senju and Uchiha are descendants of some uber ninja with uber powers. He divided up his powers into Senju and Uchiha. Senju got body power, Uchiha mind power. I don't see the big fat plot line, as you put it, to revolve solely around the Uchiha. I think it revolves more around the Senju/Uchiha conflict. If I'm correct that Naruto is of the Senju lineage, then he's as central to the story as Sasuke is.
That being said, I realize the disproportionate amount of lore being devoted to the Uchiha at the expense of Senju lore doesn't help the argument, but I'm willing to attribute that to bad storytelling/Kishi's hardon for Sasuke if everything else supports what I just said. A good idea, horribly done.
Logically, he should be.
his story relates to that of the main character? yes.
he had the plan for getting all the plot coupons - he created the giant statue.
he looks the part. far more than Madare/Tobi.
it's a common form of stories I hate - The main Character doesn't know what's going on.
example: 'Samantha Who?', I've watched one episode and I hated how the other girls had to explain her even the most basic stuff.
example 2: 'accidentally on purpose', watched one episode as well, and again, Dahrma is even a bigger idiot than Dahrma, her friends are active and creating, and she's just running from one swing of overreacting to a different swing of being a fuckin' idiot.
[and manga]: Samurai deeper kyo. I have no idea what the plot was supposed to be, all I knew is that half the characters in team 'good guys' could explain all, but just didn't.
Chrno crusade: not only that no one cared to tell me why they're fighting, they had the nerve of saying the bad guys just wanted to protect the good guys from their amnesia or something.
KimigaNozumoAien - Hated the cripple girl. because she was fuckin' out the loop and every moment of her screen time was retarded.
so yeah, I think Payne should have been the big boss, at least he had some relevance to what's going on.
2. Naruto as a Senjou... well, just as I thought about Naruto being the 4th theory (long ago)..., it's undermining Naruto's achievement, it's not a story of overcoming the adversery through belief and hard working (with some magic help) anymore, it's about fuckin' destiny sticking his finger and abusing others just to recreate itself.
besides, the latest senju we know about would be the 1st hokage, right? because he fought with Madare or something, over the bridge of Naruto Z.
well, it's going to be somewhat funny to tell us now that Naruto is both related to the 4th Hokage (hey, care to explain the premise? how he didn't get any prince ninja respect? no, that's cool, Kishi) and the 1st (and to the 5th, by extension), after all this time? maybe you'll tell us that Ninjas can travel to the future and shoot energy blasts from their hands while doing so, and can sent other ninjas to the shadow realm.
(damn, they can do all that)
so, if the plot gets broken, then the dude can be as important to the plot as the rival? that says alot.
Sasuke: has being Naruto`s rival ever since like... chapter 3, Sasuke joined the bad guys at the end of part 1, Naruto`s main goal switched to that of rescuing his friend.
Pain: appeared out of nowhere and got half linked to Naruto by having the same master, he died 40 chapters ago (not without redempting that is).
Madara: is the main cause Sasuke is totally evil now, the original leader of the uchiha, has a personal grudge on konoha and senju, has a higher rank than pain in akatsuki.
Yeah, i can totally see how you thought Pain was the main bad guy.
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Naruto has been a character destined for greatness, and not an underdog overcoming adversity, for a very long time now. Ever since the Haku fight, it's been impossible for me to see him otherwise. That demon alone (for a good while anyway) made him superior to most other characters. Then as time went by, we discovered more about his own abilities, including his large chakra reserves that weren't tied to the demon, and his ability to output extremely large quantities of chakra in burst. Sure this required training to make use of, but it's just like the sharingan. Those abilities require him to naturally have the potential to do it, which not everyone does, and then required him training those abilities. By the time he fought Gaara, all these things were known about Naruto.
Mostly, it's just the people in the story that had reason to see Naruto as an underdog because they didn't know what we as viewers knew.
I think the latest senju we know is senju for a fact is Tsunade, the first's grand-daughter. She was relatively unimpressive though so, eh. I don't really feel like making excuses for the manga, so I'm with you on these complaints, but I don't feel the plot has to be broken to make Naruto, technically, as important if not more than Sasuke. They just need to start talking more about him in a way that is consistant with what's already in place.
Not that much consistancy exists in this story as of late...ok, maybe I see where you're going with this.
I just remembered, Yamato is also a senju.
(well, he's a clone of one), how does that fit it with anything?
later on the other stuff.
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I think you're misunderstanding. Think before we were told Tobi was Madara, when Tobi was a joke--back when Akatsuki was a secret evil organization whose leader was Pain. The Akatsuki were the strongest and most badass ninjas with powers that rivaled Kage powers, and Pain was the leader of them all. All these bad ass ninjas followed his orders, including Itachi. Back then you couldn't seriously believe Sasuke (who abandoned his village only to kill an "evil" brother) or Madara (who was thought to be dead at the time) were the main bad guys?
I'm pretty sure that's what chessmaster was referring to. At that time, Pain seemed like a very logical and convincing main bad guy. Especially given he had that Rinnegan, the strongest occular powers.
Yeah I feel everyone talking about the ninjitsu has gone downhill.
I remember when Akatsuki was so badass and then somewhere along the way it turned back into naruto sasuke days of our lives.
It seems like you can put the word Jutsu after anything and Kishi will write a ninja that does it.
"Glass blowing jutsu!"
"Paper cut Jutsu!"
I'm pretty sure Pain's female friend can do the "Paper Cut Jutsu"
As far as Kishi, I'd say it'd be kinda hard to always come up with something new, fresh, original, and believable all the time, especially after it's gone on so long already.
I mean, look at Susanoo...it doesn't really match the pattern of what most occular powers are able to do. It seems to have nothing to do with sight or a trance at all.
Can anyone remember the last time a kunai actually killed somebody?
It actually happens a lot. Think fodder soldier characters that went after Sasukes group or something like that. Most of the good ninjas don't really get killed by a Kunai. Although I do suspect Itachi could have killed many good Ninja with just Kunai.
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