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    One Piece Episode 442

    http://www.onepieceofficial.com/videos.aspx?v=4690

    You know it just keeps getting more awesome when Crocodile show up.


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    Weird pacing in this episode. Mostly setup though, it seems.

    Also, apparently the okama queen can detect gender confusion a mile away.
    10/4/04 - 8/20/07

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    I can't wait for the next episode! Luffy teaming up with 2 Shichibukai.. that's gotta give some fireworks in the fights to come.

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    Unless they still have many tricks hidden up their sleeves, the wardens and other staff are going to have a hard time against a logia user. Not to say the others wouldn't be a nuisance as well but somebody like Magellan could also find it hard to fights against a shapeless opponent. Although if Crocodile's universal weakness is anything water based and liquid, I guess Magellan might actually have an edge - provided he even knows such a detail.

    There should be lots of mayhem in any case. Luffy better keep his eyes open, though, because nothing would make Crocodile happier than escaping but leaving Luffy behind in the jail.

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    This is one place where I don't think Logia users are likely to be much of a problem. Impel Down is loaded with Seastone. Hell, half the prisoners are likely cuffed with the stuff. I'm sure they have a full compliment of weapons and whatnot as well.

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    They can't go overboard with seastone seeing how it would hamper Magellan as well. Have we ever even seen seastone bullets? They would be the most obvious and logical choise of armament for any marine but they might be omitted simply due to the plot issues they would pose (any half decent sharpshooter would be able to kill anybody just like in RL).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco
    They can't go overboard with seastone seeing how it would hamper Magellan as well.
    Well, considering Smoker is a devils fruit user that actually carries seastone around with him it's not like just having the stuff around causes problems for Fruit users. I imagine that at the very least the names character could get their hands on the stuff if they wanted too.

    Probably not the rank and file guards though because I believe they mentioned that seastone is extremely valuable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    They can't go overboard with seastone seeing how it would hamper Magellan as well. Have we ever even seen seastone bullets? They would be the most obvious and logical choise of armament for any marine but they might be omitted simply due to the plot issues they would pose (any half decent sharpshooter would be able to kill anybody just like in RL).
    We have as of now since they mentioned them this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    They can't go overboard with seastone seeing how it would hamper Magellan as well. Have we ever even seen seastone bullets? They would be the most obvious and logical choise of armament for any marine but they might be omitted simply due to the plot issues they would pose (any half decent sharpshooter would be able to kill anybody just like in RL).
    I think seastone bullets would only work if they are low-caliber or hollow points, otherwise the bullet would just go through the target (which could be the case with logia users anyway), but then again, wouldn't someone like Luffy just be able to bounce them away from him? I know when Luffy was underwater a looong time ago, his body still stretched. Maybe there is a good reason besides cost that there aren't seastone bullets.

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    Or you guys could watch the episode that came out as of Sunday which, you know, actually shows seastone bullets.
    10/4/04 - 8/20/07

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    Quote Originally Posted by Assertn View Post
    Or you guys could watch the episode that came out as of Sunday which, you know, actually shows seastone bullets.
    Of course they didn't actually hit a DF user with any of them so we still don't know how well they work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Assertn View Post
    Or you guys could watch the episode that came out as of Sunday which, you know, actually shows seastone bullets.
    Weren't those just those net-bullet-things they have used ever since Loguetown?

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    Hmm, you might be right. They did shoot a net right after he said use the Prison Bullets.

    I dunno anymore. It just seems dumb at this point that they can make net launchers of the stuff and it doesn't occur to anyone to just make bullets.

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    From what we have seen, touching seastone will immediately render fruit users powerless. So, a bullet would, upon impact, render at least a portion of a logia user's body normal and then affect that normal bodypart by inflicting tissue damage plus the normal shock effect getting hit causes to living things. I guess they wouldn't be perfect bullets as such seeing how the stuff must be a lot lighter than lead (or fancier bullet materials) but it would serve well at least with high enough caliber and from short enough range.

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    Prolong exposer to sea-stone drains devil fruit user's strength until they unable to freely control their powers and user recover immediately when not in sea-stone's effect, and we don't know just how brittle pure sea-stone is?. As usually it a mixture of metal and sea-stone. For logia sea-stone bullet will just pass through before user will lose his powers; same for Luffy, he will bounce them back before being exposed to effect enough.


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    Honestly, I don't want to imagine a world where seastone bullets exist.
    That alone would make virtually any devil's ability obsolete.
    10/4/04 - 8/20/07

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    Quote Originally Posted by Death13a View Post
    and we don't know just how brittle pure sea-stone is?
    Yes we do. They've said before that Seastone is harder than diamond. Which is why they needed the keys in the Enies Lobby arc because Zoro couldn't cut through Robin's cuffs even with his ability to cut through steel.

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    As usually it a mixture of metal and sea-stone.
    Um...source?

    Quote Originally Posted by Death13a View Post
    For logia sea-stone bullet will just pass through before user will lose his powers; same for Luffy, he will bounce them back before being exposed to effect enough.
    I don't buy it. If that was true, Wiper's attacks with his seastone skates would have passed through Enel before the seastone had a chance to take effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnder View Post
    I don't buy it. If that was true, Wiper's attacks with his seastone skates would have passed through Enel before the seastone had a chance to take effect.
    Its tricky...
    I'd imagine a logia user dodging kairoseki is about as easy as Crocodile dodging Luffy's water attacks, or Enel dodging Luffy's rubber attacks. How come Enel, who could move at the speed of light, couldn't dissolve before Luffy's fist reached him?

    On the other hand, we also know a devils fruit user doesn't become immediately de-fruited upon contact with the sea. For example, Luffy was trapped underwater during the Arlong arc, yet the villagers could still pull his head out of the water cause of his elasticity
    10/4/04 - 8/20/07

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    Quote Originally Posted by Assertn View Post
    How come Enel, who could move at the speed of light, couldn't dissolve before Luffy's fist reached him?
    I assume that while his body could move at the speed of light, his reactions are still limited by the speed of his own thought. His body can move fast enough, but if he can't think fast enough, he's not going to be able to get out of the way.

    The only reason Logia's seem to be immune to bullets normally is because they're bodies apparently dissolve automatically.

    On the other hand, we also know a devils fruit user doesn't become immediately de-fruited upon contact with the sea. For example, Luffy was trapped underwater during the Arlong arc, yet the villagers could still pull his head out of the water cause of his elasticity
    Hmm, that almost seems like a plot hole at first. But when you think about it, shouldn't Brook die again if he falls in the ocean? If the fruit brought him back to life, and the sea negates the fruit then....

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