There are two universes in dc that crossover every now and then and two universes in marvel that crossover once in the last 12 years...
If you want Batman comics, get Pain and Prejudice, an absolute master piece.
There are two universes in dc that crossover every now and then and two universes in marvel that crossover once in the last 12 years...
If you want Batman comics, get Pain and Prejudice, an absolute master piece.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
For starter, i'm a big fan of the 90's Spiderman cartoon.
Which is the reason why i hated Tobey's Spiderman. It just felt to me like he was very good at being awkward as peter, but that was it. His portrayal of Spiderman didn't work for me, because i just felt like it was Tobey in a costume and a complete lack of personality for Spidey.
Amazing certainly has it fair share of problem, but i think people are just not giving it a fair chance because they want to constantly compare it to the original trilogy. There are too many people that went into this movie thinking "there's no need for a reboot" so you can't even enjoy a pretty good movie.
Even while comparing the two, i still have to say that i prefer amazing and definitely like Garfield's smartass fast talking portrayal of Spiderman that is very similar to what i know from my childhood.
The weekend before last, I saw this with my friend who is also a childhood fan of Spider-Man and I have to say I really liked it. I would also say I liked Garfield's portrayal of Peter and Spidey much more than Tobey's.
Just watched this yesterday, i had pretty low expectations going in but i was very pleasantly surprised, i like the new guy much more than Tobey.
Love it when things flip my expectations and i get surprised in a good way like this.
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I prefered his spiderman to Tobey's spiderman but his Parker ( which entails what, 90 or 80% of this role? ) was downright painful to watch. Felt like i was watching Twilight, and i've never even watched Twilight.Originally Posted by Penner
Thought this was superior in every way to any of Tobey's movies. I liked Peter although there was some really awkward and corny scenes. Some of the awkward once i have no problem with because Peter is supposed to be all nerdy and shit and as is universal law that nerds are awkward around the opposite sex.
Ben and May was better. Maybe I'm just dazzled or starstruck by the big names. Big fan of both Martin Sheen and Sally Fields and i thought they where excellent.
Loved this Gwen over Tobey's MJ. Loved Gwen's dad.
Loved the Lizard as the villain. Much better then any villain in Tobey's versions. Had some problems with him though. Biggest one being how the swat that got hit by the gas grenade started to get reptile skin in mere seconds.
Loved how Spidey used his homemade web shooter instead of it being a mutation.
But most of all, Andrew's Spidey was 10 times better then Tobey.
Finally saw this movie today. The only improvement was the love interest, and that was only as far as the actress they chose for the role (though I'm a fan of Kirsten Dunst, she was wrong for the MJ role).
Everything else was pretty bad, both as a standalone movie and as a reworking of the Spider-man origin story. They had big names in some of the roles, but they were minor characters and didn't contribute at all. Jonah Jameson as his antagonist was much better than Capt. Stacey, and Simmons did a much better job than Leary. Like Carnage said, the director tried to cram too much into the movie (which was 2.5 hrs long), and there were a ton of plot holes because of this.
@Twist: you thought the Lizard was a better villain than Doc Ock?? The Lizard was basically a clone of the Doc Ock from the second movie, in background, purpose, outlook, and even in redemption. The visual effects for Doc Ock were also much better than with the CGI Lizard.
Not comparing the two movies, I'd still say this was a B movie as far as comic movies go.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Comparing amazing to spidey 2 is a bit unfair no? how about you compare it to spidey 1?
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
I did. Maybe it's because of left over residue from my comic book days. But there Octo is a joke. Sure he has some brainy plan that gives spidey some problems for a short while but once Spidey foils Octo's plans Octo vs Spidey becomes a joke. Octo get so outclassed by Spidey that what else the the word "joke" can you use to describe him? Octo, Rhino, Shocker, Vulture, Scorpio(n?). There is a list of them in the comics that you can never judge in any other way. They where a match for Spidey back in the 80s when they where the strongest once he could face. But even then they never really felt scary. Kraven, Green Goblin and Hobgoblin where the real threats. When you picked up the issue in the store and saw Green Goblin you knew Spidey where gonna have big trouble. Then came Venom and from him came Carnage. That's what a real nemesis is. They outclassed Spidey in every way. Venom even knew Parkers secret identity which made him the biggest threat of them all (forgot if Carnage ever knew it but i don't think so). If not for the symbiosis weakness to fire and sound (Carnage didn't have this one), Spidey would have lost big time.
Lizard was somewhere in the middle of those groups. In the beginning he would outclass Spidey in a 1on1. Thanks to Dr Conners knowing Parkers secret, Lizard of course knew too. The Lizard also had that whole predatory instinct and rage thing going. Much like Venom. This made him feel like a threat. Although at the end before i stopped buying them he had become somewhat of a pushover.
So anyways when i watched Spiderman 2, Octo never felt threatening to me. Even though i know Spidey will beat the Lizard in the end because he is the main character you still feel some suspense when Spidey is the actual prey and not the predator. But since i dont remember Spiderman 2 that well and you have spouted all this nonsense i will rewatch it sometime this week and try to forget any knowledge i have from the comics and try and judge it for the movie it is.
Besides the villains, I was mostly comparing the first movie to the reboot movie. I preferred that the first movie followed the true origin story of Spider-man, including the "with great power, comes great responsibility" motto that defines Peter Parker as Spider-man. I didn't get the feel of that in the reboot, and I also didn't feel the relationship between Peter and his aunt and uncle. The death of Uncle Ben is a major driving force in his life as a superhero, and the new movie didn't give enough weight to that.
I thought Peter's discovery and testing his new powers was more realistic and better done than in the new movie too.
As for the villain, the Lizard is a pretty crappy villain, period. The Goblin isn't a great movie villain, but Dafoe played the part well.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Talk about nonsense man, what a peculiar reason to hate a movie character, because you didn't think much of him as a comic character?? What about the portrayal of the character in the movie, the execution and special effects, and the actor's work? Molina did a great job with his character. Rhys Ifans as the Lizard didn't do anything to set his role apart. And like I said, they were basically the same character with the same goals and motives.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I haven`t seen it so i can`t really comment, Dafoe was ruined by the corny as fuck script and a mask that was stolen from a power ranger`s set. A good Norman perphaps, but GG was ruined hard.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Which one haven't you seen, The Amazing Spider-man? I need to go back and watch Maguire's first Spider-man again, it's been a while.
I am pretty sure it wasn't a mask in the comics, it was his actual goblin face. The mask in the movie made the best of it without having to use extensive makeup on Dafoe, which is a cop out but that's Hollywood. I thought the dialogue for Norman was stilted and corny too, but still better than anything the Lizard said.
And not to sound like a xenophobe, but what's with 2 Brits playing the lead roles in an American movie about an American hero?
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“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I haven`t seen amazing. The goblin wears a mask, but it`s not a stiff one, it`s kinda rubbery so he actually has facial expressions.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Shit, then we're probably ruining the movie for you a bit. I'll admit I'm completely biased towards the original movies because I didn't see a need for a reboot, so I'm being overly harsh with my comparisons.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Lol it`s fine, i`m waiting on the dvd to come out. As for the reboot there was no real choice since raimi and tobey were out and fox NEEDED to make a movie if they want to keep the rights.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
I thought it was Sony that was losing the rights, so they wanted to milk the franchise for one more movie before it went to Fox or some other company. Either way, there's a sequel for the Amazing series coming, which I think has been mentioned.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Yes that`s what i meant, sony, and they can keep the right as long as they make movies, so NOT making amazing 1 would be a horrible idea from an economical point.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
I read up a little on the deal, and some want to blame Sam Raimi for the mess that was Spider-man 3 and the failure to come to an agreement on a 4th movie. I don't think that a 4th film with Raimi would have been any better than a reboot, especially if Sony meddled with the script again. They kinda covered most interesting scenarios with the first 3 movies already.
Yes it made sense for Sony from a financial standpoint, but it sucks that money co-opts creativity and history. I think a 4th Raimi film would have made them as much money as the reboot movie did. Of course with a reboot, they can make a sequel, whereas a 5th movie wouldn't be likely.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Spider man 4 going to have the vulture, with felicia hardy as his daughter who would then become the vulturess...
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
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