Movie: The Amazing Spider-Man

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

So yeah while they were good movies in their own right, they crapped allll over spiderman lore so they can go fuck themselves into oblivion now that amazing is here.

HA! Damn right!!

Amazing wasn't the greatest film but it was a perfect origin story IMO. You feel like you actually know who Peter Parker was/is with the flashbacks to his parents. Showing where Peter gets his genius from was a little touch I appreciated. And the way they incorporated his father's research into not only being involved with Connors but also Osborn in such a hypehypehype way of setting the score for the upcoming sequel.

Oh and while we're on the topic of "Tobeyman" (thankyou ds) and his costume, it wasn't just his that seemed totally out of place. Was the Glider suit that became the Green Goblin suit originally designed that way?? It was meant for military use was it not? So then can someone explain to me why it looked the way it did..... completely ridiculous? Even putting aside the BRIGHT green coloring, that mask alone hardly seems like something they'd want to use to impress the military. And anyway even lets say Norman changed it to make it look that way after the fact, it still looked like something out of the Power Rangers movie.

[Carnage]

I love how people are giving Maguire shit for his Peter Parker act when Stan Lee himself said that he was the perfect choice to cast. And no, the pacing in Amazing was horrendous; Spiderman 1 & 2 were much, much better.

[UChessmaster]

I put in doubt Stan Lee`s ability to properly cast someone. Spidey 2 was better? maybe, part 1? never.

[Carnage]

I put in doubt Stan Lee`s ability to properly cast someone. Spidey 2 was better? maybe, part 1? never.

You know, because your opinion of who reflects Peter Parker is much more critical than they guy who invented the character.

[Abdula]

You know, because your opinion of who reflects Peter Parker is much more critical than they guy who invented the character.

Actually yes. I was wondering what the hell you meant by your earlier post. As if Stan Lee's opinion somehow invalidated UC's. Not sure how to properly explain my reasoning without some long run-on post. I will just say that the fact that Stan Lee is the creator of Spiderman does not mean that he knows best who should play the character in a movie. That belongs to the director who really should be the one to have final say on who he feels would best embody the character he is trying to portray.

Secondly, Stan Lee seems to have no casting ability whatsoever. This is the same guy who said Ben Affleck was a great Daredevil and David Hassellhoff was a good Nick Fury .

Splash has another valid point.

[Animeniax]

Actually yes. I was wondering what the hell you meant by your earlier post. As if Stan Lee's opinion somehow invalidated UC's. Not sure how to properly explain my reasoning without some long run-on post. I will just say that the fact that Stan Lee is the creator of Spiderman does not mean that he knows best who should play the character in a movie. That belongs to the director who really should be the one to have final say on who he feels would best embody the character he is trying to portray.

Secondly, Stan Lee seems to have no casting ability whatsoever. This is the same guy who said Ben Affleck was a great Daredevil and David Hassellhoff was a good Nick Fury .

Splash has another valid point.

It depends on which Peter Parker you are a fan of I guess. As I pointed out earlier, the modern geek Parker is not the same nerd Parker that Stan Lee created and that Maguire portrayed. You guys are obviously fans of a newer, cooler Parker, such as KNJ mentioned, one that will stick up for a kid getting picked on. But Peter Parker from the original Spider-man comics was the kid getting picked on.

[Splash!]

What exactly do you expect Stan Lee to say? He surely isn't going to insult the actor at the center of one of Marvel's biggest franchises (in terms of revenue) after the fact.

[UChessmaster]

What he said.

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

Flash fuckd with him too at the start of the film. And then fuckd him into the ground after he stood up for the kid.

ANd you got that backwards. Garfield's the nerd Parker and Maguire is the dork or geek Parker.

[Animeniax]

Science whizzes are nerds and dorks, not geeks. Garfield's is more the hipster doofus.

But whatever, people will like the Peter Parker they identify with. Just like they'll be happy with a black Nick Fury.

[fahoumh]

Just like they'll be happy with a black Nick Fury.

When the character resurfaced in 2002 in The Ultimates, he had been redesigned to look like actor Samuel L. Jackson. Jackson did not originally give his consent for Marvel Comics to use his likeness in their redesign of the Fury character for The Ultimates,[4] and first appeared with this revised look in The Ultimates #1, as drawn by Bryan Hitch. The similarity is even noted within the comic itself, in a scene in which the Ultimates discuss who they think should play each of them in a hypothetical movie about the team. Fury's answer for himself is "Mr. Samuel L. Jackson, of course, no discussion." It was only after seeing the redesigned Nick Fury in the first issue of The Ultimates that Samuel L. Jackson learned of the use of his likeness and contacted Marvel in order to secure the role of Nick Fury in any future Marvel movies.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Nick_Fury

So it seems like this version appeared in comics 6 years before his first appearance in a movie (Iron Man came out 2008), even though his design was based on the actor that would eventually play him. That's kind of a mind-fuck.

[Animeniax]

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Nick_Fury

So it seems like this version appeared in comics 6 years before his first appearance in a movie (Iron Man came out 2008), even though his design was based on the actor that would eventually play him. That's kind of a mind-fuck.

All true. Marvel changed him to a black character in the Ultimate universe. I understand the need to diversify their characters, but I think it could be better done with new characters instead of changing existing ones. Nick Fury is a somewhat minor character in the big scheme of things, but it irks me for some reason that they changed his race.

[UChessmaster]

All true. Marvel changed him to a black character in the Ultimate universe. I understand the need to diversify their characters, but I think it could be better done with new characters instead of changing existing ones. Nick Fury is a somewhat minor character in the big scheme of things, but it irks me for some reason that they changed his race.

Seems you don`t know this already, so i`ll GLADLY let you know that Fury is now black in 616 as well.

[Animeniax]

Seems you don`t know this already, so i`ll GLADLY let you know that Fury is now black in 616 as well.

I stopped reading comics seriously circa 1990s. I've read a few since then, but with all the changes/crossovers/alternate universes it got too ridiculous.

[Splash!]

Science whizzes are nerds and dorks, not geeks. Garfield's is more the hipster doofus.

Hipster doofus, really?

It's ironic that you would make this point because the BIGGEST problem I had with Maguire's Parker is that in no way did I get the feeling that he was an intelligent individual. Sure, there was a lot of awkwardness and social ineptitude but that was about it. I definitely did not sense a brilliant young mind somewhere in there, even though the script tried to pass him off as one.

In my experience, truly intelligent people (even if they are socially inept) have pretty rich personalities in their own ways. I actually got that from Garfield's character, in spite of his 'hipster' persona. I just got nerd and dork from Maguire.

So for me, it was more like nerdy doofus vs witty hipster. I prefer the latter.

[Ryllharu]

Totally agree that the original trilogy forgot to make Parker actually smart. Spiderman2 fixed that to an extent, because he was actually able to ask intelligent things to Doc Oc. So...then they ruined it in the third again.

The biggest problem with that was the Maguire's Parker produced his own webbing inside his body, while Garfield not only reverse engineered the OsCorp BioCable, he built the webshooters. I do wish they had showed that, at least in the training montage.

You could immediately tell that Garfield's Parker was an intelligent nerd through a few of the subtle hints they tossed in there. The remote activated, servo-driven door lock being the most obvious.

[UChessmaster]

There`s been changes/crossovers/alternate universes LONG before 1990.

[Animeniax]

There`s been changes/crossovers/alternate universes LONG before 1990.

Yes of course there were, but not to the degree since then. I think the stories/characters started getting dull/stale around that time so the companies started doing weirder crossovers/alternate lines. I think that's about when the 2099 series came out. A lot of fans moved to the independent publishers like Valiant/Defiant and Dark Horse around that time, rather than see their favorite characters changed or expanded in ways that were contrary to the heroes we knew and loved.

[UChessmaster]

I get the impression that you don`t like it anymore because it`s different, not because it`s "worse", a lot of changes are good, and helped the characters so much (Aquaman, Animal Man), seeing the character staying the same for over 50 years would be boring as fuck.

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

Change is great and a necessity but I also tire quickly of all the alternate realities and such. One or two wouldn't be so terrible but when every day theres another popping up it gets to be near impossible for anyone to follow a single story.

Right now I'm just jumping around and finding some gems like this Batman 'Black Mirror' book. Probably my favorite comic to date. It'd be nice to be able to follow a continual story but there's so many 'this guys back from the dead with no explanation', and 'in an alternate reality he fell from the sky and landed in our reality' it just really gets to be too much.