I never said that. I know it is what most other people play it for though.
I never said that. I know it is what most other people play it for though.
Peace.
Lately I have started to watch LOL players that stream to try and learn a few tricks, and also to notice how bad I am for real. Do any of you stream? Could you recomend me some streamer that somehow teaches to play or that you specially follow due to his awesomeness?
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A better method than watching people above your skill level is playing with them, try to ask a higher elo friend to duo with you even if it's just normals. You can also go here http://www.reddit.com/r/SummonerSchool with any questions you might have or you could make a thread asking for a mentor.Originally Posted by Edort4
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/tribunal/en/case/933311
Bug got me banned, gg. I was the jungler and had smite on "d", yet every time i would press it the chat would open up and spam d even though i was no longer pressing it. The key wasn't stuck and this all cleared up once the game finished and i was able to again play normally. I actually PMed riot support after this game talking about how my team had reported me for this bug ( i had added them afterwards to apologise ) and go the same old copy pasted response.
The tribunal is probably the lowest point of League's career. It doesn't help. Or rather, it hurts just as much as it helps. Here a few months ago there were numerous threads of people being temp-banned just for going to the bathroom. I had a friend that got two consecutive bans in a row... the first may have been justified, but with the second, he had literally played two games, one of which I was in, then come next day, he was banned again. People don't judge cases "fairly". Hell, 75% of them probably don't even read anything. They go in, see the eye-popping purple text, find one instance of "unsportsmanlike behavior", then hit punish. Ideally, Riot is supposed to double-check each "punish" case... realistically that doesn't happen.
It's dangerous to go alone. Take Nep.
Yes yes, let`s ignore the other 4 reports.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Just for clarification, I did read the other 4 reports. Knowing it's Arch, I wouldn't have reported, but without knowing, it would have been tough. Around here, we're used to his trolling. I mean, he has his own Flame Pit thread for a reason... >_>. However, with the anonymity of the tribunal, everything has to be taken at face value. Ignoring the bug from the mentioned game, there was still some trolling going on. And in the other reports, there were instances of talking down to teammates. Whether or not the reports themselves were justified (I mean, seriously, one enemy reported him for "ddosing a normal game"....), in the eyes of the general public, Arch would be seen as a toxic player.
That being said, there were also plenty of instances in those same reports of Arch being a team player. Offering advice, great communication... and a lot of his snarky comebacks were in response to another teammate belittling him. He apologized on a few occasions for various mistakes. He never outright raged at anyone. A good tribunal reviewer would weigh all that against the bad and make a fair decision. But as I mentioned in my previous post, that doesn't happen.
Of course, my previous post was also just in reference to the tribunal as a whole, and not necessarily Arch's case. I was offering examples of what was wrong with the system in relation to Arch's problem. If his ban was based solely on the game with the bug, then his case would be a perfect example of my point.
It's dangerous to go alone. Take Nep.
Not exactly, just because he was nice sometimes doesn`t means we should totally ignore the times where he`s being a dick. Otherwise, jails would be pretty empty in real life. I don`t see what`s so wrong with the tribunal. The guy in charge of it has released numbers many times and it shows it had a generally positive effect on the game. When you make an account for LoL there is a ToS you agree to, if you accept them you must follow the rules whether you like them or not, period.
Can you show me a real example of a player following the rules and getting banned anyway?
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Without extensive knowledge of a situation, no. The tribunal only shows in game chat, item builds, k/d/r, and notes from the report. Pre/post game chat is ignored. There is no replay so all chat is taken at face value. Obviously you can't know what goes on at the desk of each individual player. But just for the sake of argument, my previous example with my friend. He received two consecutive temp bans. Whether or not the first was justified is irrelevant, he received the second ban after two games. I was in one game, which we ended up surrendering because of stupid people, but he said or did nothing toxic all game. Even if he raged or trolled in the second game, that's one game of reports. How is it someone gets banned from one game? That doesn't seem fair, right? The only possible explanation would be that the tribunal linked that report with previous reports which he had already been banned for.
But whether or not a player "following the rules gets banned anyways" wasn't my point to begin with. I said there have been bans based on bogus reasoning.
However, I can show you an instance of a player not following the rules and not being banned. I think the player's name was Athene? The guy was publicly caught cheating, which goes against the ToS you mentioned, yet Riot failed to act on the issue. Tribunal bans several people for going to the bathroom, but an admitted/caught cheater gets to play freely. Does that seem fair? Ergo, tribunal is broken. Both morally and systematically.
That's not to say the tribunal hasn't done it's fair share of good work though. You give the decision of banning players to the community and inevitably you're going to get it right sometimes.
It's dangerous to go alone. Take Nep.
You don`t go to the tribunal for one report, you go there when you get reported plenty of times. If a person gets reported all the time, it`s usually their fault, replay available or not.
When a person gets banned they are left in a "warning" status, which would need a small amount of reports to get them at the tribunal again, that one game you don`t know about could make it happen. Really, i have not much to say here considering I don`t have the report card. The devs have said again and again about the last part you mentioned simply being not true.
And I refuse to believe this unless shown concrete evidence. If the tribunal is so unjust, how is it you can`t show me a single unfair report card? You woul`d think the LoL forums would be swarmed by these.
The tribunal isn`t perfect, this was never up for discussion, I don`t quite get what you`re trying to say here. How is the tribunal even supposed to know Athene`s has been cheating, it just doesn`t has the tools to catch the kind of cheating he did.
For the record, before a person gets a considerable ban, they are first seen by an actual Riot employee.
Last edited by UChessmaster; Wed, 06-12-2013 at 01:56 PM.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Gonna have to side with UChessmaster on this one. Just game 2 alone where he calls his teammate useless is grounds for punish. There's just nothing constructive about that.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
I won't drag this argument out any further; we'll just have to agree to disagree. My opinion of the tribunal won't change. There are a multitude of problems with it, just like with any other community-operated machine. If you all choose to believe in it, that's fine.
As for the League forums "swarming with evidence of unjust bans"... the forums actually are spammed with evidence of unjust situations (not just pertaining to bans, but a variety of things, i.e. Athene) on a consistent basis. However Riot deletes them all within a matter of minutes. Which is probably for the best, as a lot of times those threads turn into flame wars.
It's dangerous to go alone. Take Nep.
Lol you have to love that mentality, how Kayle can literally die over 8 times in 1 on 1 situations and i'm not allowed to say anything. I asked her to stop dueling, i asked her to just farm, bitch kept on dying. As if we're all such precious little flowers that i can't call you out for your bulshit as you go at it again and again despite other's advice.
Which would be fine if not for the huge amount of bulshit reports, did you even see the one where that buttmad faggot reported me for ddosing a normal game? And all it takes is 1 game where you rage at 1 teammate in 1 single line for the white knight squad to label you toxic and hit that punish button.
What this game needs is a positive reinforcement system that's not worthless ( read as, honor ) and a ban system regulated by professionals and not 12 year olds who just lost their promo to silver for the 10th time and want to give back to the community.
You're an idiot for buying that tribunal propaganda by the way, of course they'll tell you it's amazing and it works it's basically free labour.
You didn`t get banned for the BS report, you got banned for your BS behavior on your OTHER matches. For the record, I would`ve hit punish.
Read my previous post, all of it.
Riot is a very transparent company, what they want is a clean environment where no one rages at each other. Their goal is NOT to step on your nuts for no reason. When something doesn`t works they will acknowledge it as they have done so in the past.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Usually what happens is your reports builds up overtime and your tribunal case judge them all at once. This is not immediate though so the tribunal case will usually lag a few weeks behind.
So say you get reported 30 times within a period of time. Then you got punished on 10 reports of the first 15 that goes to tribunal, those punished reports are sent over to a Riot employee if it's a considerable ban. If it's a small amount then the system will usually give you a warning or a few days ban.
A situation where someone get banned and then comes back to be immediately banned again is the result of the system assigning a temp ban from the first case and then the 2nd case with the rest of the reports get processed during the time the player get banned. This is working the way riot intended so people don't get the same punishment for different amounts of violations.
Anyone who tells you they got banned for 1-2 games is either lying or doesn't understand how the systems works. You can get banned for stuff you did 3 months ago that's worthy of being banned even if your most recent reports are pardoned. Most of the times people gets banned for stuffs they did months ago and forgot about. The bottom line is that the more often you get reported (even for insignificant things) can increase the likelihood of you getting banned if you're the type of player with a shitty attitude because it will bring up your entire history of reports.
The thing is, there's nothing constructive about flat-out telling someone they're bad. Tell her to stay under her turret to farm, or what areas aren't safe to be in. Flaming does nothing but distracts the team and ensures defeat. Some people have off-games, and I'd presume that she's within your level if she got placed in your team in the first place.
I lost a promotion series match where I was the jungler, and our top was 0/8 and our bottom was 0/7 and 0/8. Then, in the next game, I played support Lulu to a Vayne that DCed for 3 minutes. By the 30 min mark she only had 50 CS. It sucked, but I didn't complain about it.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
the tribunal is most likely the best thing that could happen to this game.
face it, more than half the moba community is human-garbage anyway.
the tribunal allows everyone to go hitler and help humanity to regain some of its dignity.
every player banned is a win for the community - I'm serious.
whenever someone is losing his calm and starts flaming his teammates and keeps talking in meme-language about how "terribad" everyone in his or in the enemy team is, hit that punish button... always.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Such a recent and unknown video.
FYI Dunkeys gets really old really fast.
Hey that's a cool story. It's almost like it's a useful post.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
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