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    SFW's efficiency yo-yos all the time. There are times when weekly episode releases can be expected, and times when one can wait weeks for a release, such as Queen's Blade S2 Final.

    Hatsuyuki and Yuurisan may be picking this up.

    If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~

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    Coal Guys - Dance in the Vampire Bund Episode 02

    haven't actually checked this episode, as i'm still waiting to see if somebody, somewhere, picks this up...

    Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".

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    All I'm going to say, is that the anime is vastly different from the manga. That shouldn't be taken negatively or positively. They are simply two different approaches.

    I enjoyed the last episode, this one....not as much. Amnesia is such a bad plot device, and especially since it seems like it is already over. Why did they even bother?

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    Post gave birth to waves of rage, and was therefore deleted

    You guys suck >_>
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    No offense, but would it not be easier if you simply don't read this thread until you watch the episode? Like you said, it does seem a bit selfish to ask people to hold out on detailed discussion if a more simple solution can be taken.

    I really disliked this episode. Even without manga comparisons, this was just lame storywise. What originality it had in the first episode was lost, and it was sacrificed for a bunch of cliche scenes. Still, it was not all bad, since they managed to keep the yummy loli nipples nudity.

    In terms of manga comparison, I definitely liked the manga better. It was less of a cliche, and I felt it built the characters better than this dime a dozen plot development in episode 2 ever can.
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    Episode 1 was great, and then they came up with...this? Like previously said, Amnesia... really? Why was there a need to change it anyways? Maybe the adaptation is going to stray even further, though I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing yet. I agree with Ryllharu, they're very different, but for me I'm not liking it.

    I feel the anime adaptation is starting to stray to a way more mainstream, softer vision. I felt the manga was raw and primal and this anime feels like shoujo at the moment.

    For those that read the manga I'm sure they can agree with me here that the exclusion of a huge part of the plot was the quote at the beginning of the first chapter, was quite jarring and not pleasing to see.


    I hope the anime rights their wrongs, at least from my point of view.

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    The OP song was nice enough, so I'm on this. I thought it didn't quite live up to the hype I was hearing about because I'm sleep-deprived, but it seems I'm not the only one. By no means is this bad (yet), so I'm still rather hopeful.

    Still, I have to wonder how the PV and anime turned out so different. It was a lot darker, such as having Mina jumping around ripping heads off rather than becoming a damsel-in-distress.

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    I don't anymore know what to say about this. I thought they would make only the first episode such an odd thing and then would proceed to follow the jolly good plot of the manga. But it seems they instead got a masterful idea of taking the characters and setting from the manga and then hiring the criminal responsible for raping the Rosario+Vampire anime to write a lousy new story (I doubt it's actually that person but could as well be).

    Sometimes I can't help but wonder what goes on in the minds of the Japanese.

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    Actually, from what I understand Nozomu Tamaki specifically asked them to create an original story while leaving elements of the manga in.

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    Was he aware of how horrible it will be when he asked for it? Different is good, as long as it is a good difference.
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    If word spreads that the original author's version is much better according to a number of viewers, wouldn't that result in more sales of the manga tankoubons? I think it might be a pretty smart strategy after all.


    The only thing that has really bothered me is the amnesia and the Monster of the Week vampire transformations. Two essentially no-name vampires suddenly turning into giant spiders and chameleons. No explanation for why that is, no basis for it (wouldn't a bat be more appropriate?), and not much point to it either.

    The two humans disguised as police officers were a far more interesting set of villains for this episode. There is an organized group of vampire hunters or hired goons attempting to kill Mina, and they are savvy enough to obtain specialized weaponry including a helicopter with guided missiles as well as convincing uniforms. Who are they working for? Other vampires, a secret society, a foreign government? They also served to show how powerful Mina was. Akira didn't really do a whole hell of a lot besides warn her. Mina took care of them quite deftly, and rather brutally. Her last line to that woman indicated that she would use her as some kind of thrall to get the information out about who sent them.

    On the other hand, we have a one-shot transforming spider that fits more into Rosario to Vampire or Omamori Himari as some random monster. We would only know the chameleon and the spider were actually vampires because they told us. They come off more like other monsters from traditional Asian myths and horror stories. They were both killed rather easily, almost comically so for how strong Mina is. Although they did show another vampire before the spider one went out, the implications that came with the two humans are not as prominent. Both of them have seemed far more like some kind of rogues, rather than an organized effort. The chameleon guy certainly was, since they said as much.

    There was even an interesting contrast between the two. Mina said that in the first episode she is the Queen of all vampires, and as such all of them must obey her. And so, Chameleon guy did. He couldn't touch her. Then spider guy somehow just happens to have powers that nullify that all powerful dominance that Mina should possess. He's not someone of equal stature to her, he's just some pathetic wuss that Akira takes out three minutes later with a single slash. Where was continuity between the two episodes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vejita613
    Actually, from what I understand Nozomu Tamaki specifically asked them to create an original story while leaving elements of the manga in.
    Sometimes I can't help but wonder what goes on in the minds of the Japanese.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu
    If word spreads that the original author's version is much better according to a number of viewers, wouldn't that result in more sales of the manga tankoubons? I think it might be a pretty smart strategy after all.
    It's a viable theory that a savvy mangaka might make such a request hoping it would boost manga sales, yet I somehow doubt the efficiency of the theory. If I hadn't read the Rosario+Vampire manga before the anime (that I dropped), I would have associated R+V with the words utter shit and I wouldn't have certainly even dreamed of buying the manga in my worst nightmares (actually it's not quite the kind of manga I'd likely buy anyway). And I think it would be an equivalent situation with this title. If the anime is shit, why would I want to read the manga? A logical conclusion is that a good manga makes a good anime, a bad manga makes a bad anime, not vice versa. Exceptions exist but those exceptions would need to beat logic.

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    I'll probably get neg repped but meh.

    Some of us haven't read the original material nor care about reading it soon. So can we please stop with the hate posts for going original here?

    I was under the assumption comparing to the original material counted as spoiler as went against the forum rules.

    Call me a hypocrite, for I have done this too on other threads, but I've been reported, edited and even asked to stop. And here I see everybody doing it.

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    I don't see any distinct spoilers up there, at least nothing that falls within the policy on spoilers. There hasn't been anything specific said about what happened differently, what should have happened, etc. Just that there was a difference, and it wasn't very well appreciated.

    That said, I for one am finished bitching about the differences. Since the two stories are going on parallel paths, I shouldn't find it too hard to whine about the anime version on its own standing.

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    I do see your point, yes. It would piss me off as well if I wasn't a manga reader myself. While only telling manga spoilers is forbidden by the rules, I guess it's bad manners to fill your posts with comparisons to the manga in other ways. I'll try to restrict myself in the future... No matter how much this series is going to bother me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu
    The only thing that has really bothered me is the amnesia and the Monster of the Week vampire transformations. Two essentially no-name vampires suddenly turning into giant spiders and chameleons. No explanation for why that is, no basis for it (wouldn't a bat be more appropriate?), and not much point to it either.
    This will be the last thing I say on the matter, cause if I continued it would only make me see as a hypocrite and wont really do anything to help.

    The section I quoted may not directly say what happens and what not. But I pretty much tells me this two things, that have filled the two episodes, don't happen in the manga. Enough spoiler for me.

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    I really enjoy when someone says, "This will be the last thing I say on the matter," because it can also imply that they are not going to listen to anything anyone else says, regardless of whatever reasons they may give for saying it will be the last thing they say. Their mind is made up.

    Fact 1: Spider guy did not have a name. He was killed in less than 6 minutes.
    Fact 2: Hirai Seiichi (Chameleon guy, I had to look it up) Killed by the end of the episode.

    I think this implies "no-name vampires" pretty well. They both appeared and were finished in a single episode apiece.

    The rest of any conclusions drawn seems to be entirely based on your interpretation of my tone. Amnesia is a stupid plot device. Monsters of the Week is the reason R+V is a pretty generic series. They haven't told us anything yet. Why are vampires turning into monster animals? That doesn't make them much of a vampire to me, that makes them monsters transformed as humans.

    How is being excessively bothered by two overused and cliche plot vehicles imply a spoiler?

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    Alright. That conversation can lead to nowhere but spoilers ultimately, so better stop it right there. Stopping it there also makes it possible for Zell to remain a man of his word by not forcing him to post more on the subject.

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    Just stating for the record I agree with RyogaZell's basic point, seeing people mentioning/alluding to the manga somehow or other in nearly every post was getting rather annoying. I hope that Kraco will keep the rest of you manga readers in line and we can discuss the anime for its own sake for better or worse.

    To that end I would concur that this second episode felt rather generic other than the nearly naked loli action scenes and the level of brutality exhibited. I can't really complain about an anime being generic these days but I was not particularly happy to see Mina having to be saved by the male lead so soon. I had hopes that this show would be a about a strong female that could solve her own problems without needing to rely on a generic 'high school guy with special powers' to come rescue. Despite the power shown in the first episode Mina's childish crush and its effect on her makes it difficult for me to take her character seriously. They have made it rather clear that Mina has an huge weakness in Akira and I would predict that the remainder of the show will follow a pattern of someone trying to use Akira against Mina, Mina having to try and save him, and then Akira ending up having to bail Mina out of trouble, all the while slowly building up the relationship between them.

    If this is how it's going to be I think the comparison to Rosario+Vampire is quite apt. While it didn't blow me away at all I was able to somewhat enjoy Rosario+Vampire as long as I kept in mind what it really was. Similarly, while I would have liked a Vampire Bund to turn out to be a nice juicy steak seasoned in a tasteful and exotic way I'm quite willing to eat another mass produced hamburger as long as it's prepared in a passable manner and keeps me from being hungry.

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    God forbid this turns into anything like R+V, regardless of whether we know the source was good or not.

    Mina in the bush with those "ears" was really cute, but otherwise, her Horo vibes went through the roof.

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