Very true...Originally Posted by Uchiha Barles
Haagh...
Very true...
Haagh...
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
Hi everyone. I'm semi new to the forums, had an old account that I rarely used, and I've been reading many of the thoughts of the posters. I took away something very different personally and it goes back to Jiraiya's wish and Pain's final question. Jiraiya has tasked Naruto with finding a way to combat the growing hatred in the ninja world, and Pain inquired how he would deal with it. While Naruto says he doesn't know, he innately understands that refusing to give in to it is the key. He refused to kill the man who murdered his mentor, and refuses to give up on Sasuke. Sasuke himself has become the embodiment of this Hatred, a kind of culmination of what power, betrayal, and family can do in the worst way. His peers are all succumbing to it as well, and in the face of this rising pressure, I hope Naruto maintains his ideals. I doubt he'd waiver until he confronted him face-to-face, regardless if Sasuke kills his friends. I think Naruto would be determined to not kill him, unless completely convinced otherwise. And that would require them to talk.
Edit: As a matter of fact, it was Naruto's compassion and mercy that saved many that had already died in the village. His heart prompted Pain to use his ultimate jutsu to save all those he killed. (As Dragon Ball Z-esque it was, it happened.) IN the Naruto world, it seems that those leaders that forsake their beliefs end up corrupt, kinda like the real world. And I think Kishi is determined to have Naruto keep his ideal. He probably wants to help him more now, after hearing about the clans past from Madara. I also can't see Naruto being 'stable' after he killed Sasuke. I think that the thought of killing his 'brother' would sit in his mind as the ultimate failure.
And for all the talk of his criminal status, he's only killed Orochimaru, Deidara, Itachi, and fodder ninja. I can't see Kishi having Sasuke or Naruto die, or Kakashi personally, given how he literally brought him back from the dead. Sakura... meh, she could be killed, or maybe Sai will sacrifice himself if Sasuke tries to deal a deathblow. Who knows? I'm just saying I can't see Naruto kill Sasuke giving how Naruto's dealt with enemies he cares far less about.
Lastly, for all the talk of how Naruto needs to change his heart to be come a leader, I don't think thats what Kishi wants him to be seen as. I think he wants Naruto to be a savior, someone who's incredibly strong, but who's true strength lies in his impenetrable will and heart.
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It's good to see Danzou and Madara at the same place at the same time Thus finally putting an end to that dumb theory. I'm curious to find out what's up with Danzou's arm.
"Samsonlonghair - The Defender of the Oppressed And Shunned!" -Kraco
Has that theory been disproven?
Oh, so it's cool to kill fooder ninja/samurai? I loled
Yea! those fodder ninja had families too!
Not to mention Sasuke willingly left the village (a crime in and of itself) and allied himself (first) with one of the Leaf's biggest enemies, then (second) with an international criminal organization.
For those people saying Danzou will end up working with Madara, I don't think that's gonna happen considering Madara wants Sasuke and Sasuke wants Danzou dead.
I'm pretty sure Sasuke also wants Madara dead.
"Samsonlonghair - The Defender of the Oppressed And Shunned!" -Kraco
I'm pretty sure Danzou also wants Sasuke dead.
Don't think Danzou is more concerned for retaining his life and keeping him from Madara than he is about acquiring the eyes for the village or eliminating them from another group's arsenal.
I felt the chapter was pretty light. I didn't dig it much.
Sakura thinking she can take on Sasuke was as ridiculous as Sasuke fighting several Kages and living.
Who was Usui? Don't think I remember that one.
Or are we talking about Shisui [of the Mirage] that Itachi "killed" and that Danzou took an eye from?
Yea! pains parents were fodder ninja and look what happened when somebody killed them!
Oops, that's who I meant, yes.
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
Meh, a "crime" Jiraiya did. Jiraiya didn't ask for permission to stay and teach Nagato and the other kids. He just stayed behind, for three years. Sasuke has been gone only slightly longer than Jiraiya was.
And then proceeded to kill one of the Leaf's biggest enemies.and allied himself (first) with one of the Leaf's biggest enemies
Even that's not really enough to make it on Konoha's hit list.then (second) with an international criminal organization.
Sasuke crossed the line when he attacked Killabee, like Sakura and Sai and the Land of Lightning people said. Considering how ruthlessly ANBU Roots and the like fight, it is not implausible that Sasuke is an agent for SOMEBODY in Konoha who could possibly protect him after his mission is over -- like Danzou or Tsunade. (Though as much as I want to think Sasuke a "good guy", or at least on a mission, I know he probably isn't)
"After all, I am strangely colored."
Oh yes. Its definitely the same case.
Sasuke went with Konoha's #1 enemy.
Jiraiya went with 3 powerless kids.
Yet Jiraiya did return. And the 3rd probably knew what he was doing and allowed him to stay. Sasuke never told anyone what he was going to do and left with the enemy.
The same case indeed.
So Sasuke should be left off the hook because he killed Orochimaru?
Why not let Itachi off the hook? He killed Orochimaru too. And Uchiha traitors.
According to your words, Zabuza should not be a missing nin, cause he tried to kill a bad kage (Madara?)
If defecting one's village, allying with your worst enemy and almost killing a fellow nin is not worth being on the hit list... why was Itachi in the hit list?
Seriously... what the fuck poop?
Sasuke "leaving" the village is more than just not being physically present for a while. Sasuke has abandoned the village, severed all ties, dissolved his affiliation, and committed unsanctioned acts of war. Do we also need to mention that he was on his way to attack Konoha before Madara interrupted him and told to go kill the new Hokage instead?
There's really no way you can sensibly compare that to Jiraiya.
Actually, we SHOULD let Itachi off the hook. He was on a mission. And if Sasuke is on a mission, he should be let off the hook too. And if he hadn't crossed the line and attacked Killabee, he could have been let off the hook still (even if he wasn't on a mission when he went to stay with Orochimaru), like Naruto (and apparently Tsunade) wanted.
The point being: Sasuke wasn't a "serious" criminal until he started waging war on people Konoha doesn't want to fight with. Nobody in Konoha thought he was a serious criminal when he killed Orochimaru, or Deidara, or Itachi. In fact, people thought/hoped he was coming home. Itachi wanted people to see Sasuke as a hero who left the village to get his revenge, and return to Konoha victorious.
More to that point: Konoha is only hunting Sasuke because he attacked Killabee. "Missing-nin" status is something villages give ninjas they want to distance themselves from politically. Konoha would have been happy to let Sasuke be a "missing nin" if all he ever did was kill Akatsuki guys.
I get the impression that the current Mizukage and her cronies respect Zabuza. For trying to kill the last Mizukage. The younger swordsmen still call Zabuza "senpai". The current Mizukage has specifically said (something, which I will fill in shortly -- if I recall correctly, the previous Mizukage was removed -- edit: nope, they haven't said how the last Mizukage left, but the current one called the "BloodMist Village" years a nightmare). If I (and I suppose we) are right about Madara being the previous Kage, I suspect that the current Kage wouldn't consider Zabuza a missing nin, but a hero and patriot (or something).
And to answer your question: Itachi was on the Konoha hit list because Danzou and the advisors want him dead. But Konoha was not actively seeking Itachi. Indeed, after Sandaime died, Itachi returned to Konoha to remind Danzou about the elders' promise to protect Sasuke (and to remind Danzou that Itachi is still around to protect his little brother)
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"After all, I am strangely colored."
It's incredible how some people are still so adamantly defending Sasuke's actions even after all the shit he's pulled... that's all i have to say
Last edited by Archangel; Sat, 12-05-2009 at 05:12 AM. Reason: typo
lol
"would you kill someone you love, because of love?"
so Sakura's gonna nice boat Sasuke? that little yandere.. i look forward to it xD
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Lets say Sasuke was a soldier of the USA. Then randomly one night he disappeared and randomly joined the Taliban. US would most definitely want him dead. As well the attack on the Kages is like running into a UN meeting and started attacking everyone and cutting off one of the leaders arms off.
ty psj for this sig
Ga-rei zero quote should have no place in a Naruto thread. It is an insult to the better show.
Peace.
lol, surprised someone picked up on it. but it's all i could think about when reading this chapter xD
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