Naruto Shippuuden Episode 137

[Kagari]

By using his plot armor?

I don't remember it specifically being explained how he broke Orochimaru's control aside from "He's just that awesome" and "Sharingan is overpowered".

Yea! Remember when Kabuto ran in, and said

"Hey! How did you Do that!"

and Sasuke replied "I'm just that awesome."

and Kabuto was all "Pfft. Your eye is SOOO overpowered."

Yea, that's how I remember it being explained too.

[chambers]

im a little disappointed with the end result tbh. We have to assume that if oro was at full health he would have wiped the floor with sasuke and took his body. We have seen jiraiya fight on equal terms with oro, and now sasuke has just demolished itatch in a very short space of time it leaves me thinking... just how on earth did itachi survive the encounter with jiriaya originally, and even more than that how did kisame and itachi survive walking into konoha, are we simply to beleive with one fight (deidara is/was a joke, gara would have smashed him if they didnt fight in the village) sasuke is now the strongest player in the game? powerfull enough to beat or become a hokage? it just seems stretched now...

[Jessper]

I don't know about Sasuke being able to beat Itachi straight up. If Itachi didn't have to preserve his eyes I think this would have been over long ago. On top of that a big player in Itachi's strength has been the Sharingan which is very much watered down fighting another Sharingan user, especially a Uchiha.

Jiraiya's fight with Orochimaru is going to be on an entirely different level than any other fight he could have been in. They know each other very well, and it seems a lot of techniques in the Narutoverse are nullified with a bit of knowledge about them. Even with all of that, I expect Jiraiya will be one of the strongest ninja we will see in this anime. Itachi's reaction to Jiraiya was probably the only way he survived, run as fast as possible.

I do worry that Sasuke will be put on a pedestal with all these fights he is winning by circumstance rather than strength, though certainly if he takes Itachi's eyes and gains eternal Mangekyo the power of that unique ability will make him near the top almost without the skill he has shown recently.

I'm hoping that Itachi escapes and makes some sort of come back but it looks doubtful. It would also be nice if he could win the fight and perhaps instead make Sasuke flee, but I don't see that happening.

[Kraco]

Itachi fleeing would be meaningless since he's almost blind already. I don't think a blind Uchiha would be too powerful. Akatsuki would probably hunt him down and kill him as a potential security risk. Madara alone would do that for all Itachi knows about him and could spread with nothing to lose anymore.

Sasuke fleeing would cause the same thing, though, but I have a feeling for Sasuke defeating Itachi personally is more important than simply knowing he's dead by any means.

[Archangel]

Sasuke fleeing would cause the same thing, though, but I have a feeling for Sasuke defeating Itachi personally is more important than simply knowing he's dead by any means.

He didn't become an avenger so someone else could do the job for him, so there's no doubt in my mind that by the end of this we will have a clear winner and a clear loser.

[DarthEnderX]

Do you people actually want, or expect, a direct explanation of how the Sharingan works?!

The whole point of that eye is the consistent and unending layers of mystery that surround it.

When we first heard of it, with Kakashi and kid-sasuke, it allowed for the reading and copying of signs, and a deeper understanding of all forms of jutsu - right?

The user could "see" things others could not - subtle movements, specific hand motions, sneaky attack attempts, etc. That gave the Sharingan User a big advantage.

As the story progressed, and we learned more about Sharingan and that it has evolved, we've learned that there are different forms of this "eye". Mangekyou, Mangekyou 2.0. etc.

It isn't "Plot Armor" any more than Naruto's Kyuubi, Jiraiya's Sage Mode, Or even Pain's "6 paths".

How is a unique, mysterious ability a plot flaw? Sasuke's breaking of Tsukiyomi was shown with the "shattering" of the image. For all we know, that's what Itachi saw.

Sasuke's breaking of Oro's ability? That's why Sasuke is so fearsome right now. He obviously figured something out, about how the jutsu works, and managed to "unravel" it.

This isn't a plot flaw. This has been the power of the Sharingan all along. The ability to unravel and deconstruct jutsus in order to better understand them and counter them!!!

When you interview a sports star about a big goal, they dont say "oh, I used my muscles in my right arm to flex the stick at the right time. Then i turned on my heels with my left skate first, shot the puck at a 45 degree angle towards the net, and aimed for the small pocket of white! then i scored!" Who needs an explanation, the point is he was able to score, and he did. Sasuke was able to absorb oro and break tsukiyomi. We don't know why yet, but obviously there's something going on.

Newfags in this thread saying that sharingan is bad writing.

Bull-SHIT. The difference between the Sharingan and the Nine-tails is that the Nine-tails does the EXACT SAME THING now that it did the first time Naruto used it. It just becomes more powerful every time.

Sharingan on the other hand does something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT every goddamn time it gets used these day. What the hell does "seeing things you can't normally see" have to do with tearing holes in reality or conjuring all consuming black flames?! And now, it might even be able to make you immortal.

If you don't see how that's plot armor you're a dipshit.

[isso]

I still don't think Itachi "thruthfully" wants to win. I think that he want's to test Sasuke and then let him kill him if he's powerful enough.. Tormented by the fact that he had to kill his family, his clanmembers etc.

Even though the logic is sound when you say that he doesn't want to destroy Sasuke thus destroying his "spare eyes" my guts tell me that he had some underlying unknown reason of joining Akatsuki...

[Kraco]

I'm surprised you can still say that after the maniac scene and the eternal sharingan explanation. Really, if you kill most of your clan and your own parents, killing your brother should be no big deal, and you certainly aren't hesitating anymore.

[Kagari]

Bull-SHIT. The difference between the Sharingan and the Nine-tails is that the Nine-tails does the EXACT SAME THING now that it did the first time Naruto used it. It just becomes more powerful every time.

Sharingan on the other hand does something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT every goddamn time it gets used these day. What the hell does "seeing things you can't normally see" have to do with tearing holes in reality or conjuring all consuming black flames?! And now, it might even be able to make you immortal.

If you don't see how that's plot armor you're a dipshit.

Hang on.. So the Nine-Tails does the "EXACT SAME THING" yet gets more powerful, which means it changes. Be it in nature, amount, etc. it still changes. It's a different thing, with new information attached to it. The Nine-Tails power that Naruto can use now is entirely different from the spires of red chakra that we first saw on the bridge.

The Sharingan does different things every time... How is that not the same? It is exactly the same thing.

Just because we've never been privy to all the mysteries sharingan holds, or how the users draw out those secrets, doesn't mean it's any different than other abilities.

Watch your language, by the way. If anyone is a dipshit, it's the guy who contradicts himself in the same post. It's just a show, don't get your panties in a knot.

[DarthEnderX]

aren't you going to continue defending your argument?

I don't have to as there wasn't a single part of your argument that made any sense or disproved what I said.

The Sharingan does different things every time... How is that not the same? It is exactly the same thing.

I mean, I'm seriously supposed to waste my time arguing with someone who just said "It doing something different every time is the same thing it does every time!"

[Kraco]

If you want to continue your little war, take it to the Pit. But leave this thread out of it. As it is, I deleted the useless posts. If you don't have anything relevant or constructive to say, don't say anything. That should be common sense.

[Kagari]

I don't have to as there wasn't a single part of your argument that made any sense or disproved what I said.

I mean, I'm seriously supposed to waste my time arguing with someone who just said "It doing something different every time is the same thing it does every time!"

Break it down.

The Sharingan doing something different every time is the same as the Kyuubi doing something different every time. that's what was meant by that line you quoted out of context.

The point I'm making is that Sharingan powers being revealed to us, or being discovered by the users, is the same as any other jutsu or ability that has new or exciting aspects being revealed.

It may seem like the sharingan is just an unbeatable "plot armor" or whatever, but I disagree. I think it's incredibly powerful, mysterious, and rooted in history - We cannot criticize what sharingan users do with it until we understand everything that it has to offer.

Clearly after 138, we see that he didn't just LOLSHARINGAN against Oro. He somehow countered the bodysnatching jutsu and suppressed oro's chakra. We can continue this in the 138 discussion thread, because that ep. showed that Sasuke isn't useless, and the Sharingan has even more secrets left to be uncovered.