Naruto Chapter 467

**Kagemane_no_Jutsu** · Sun, 10-11-2009, 07:53 AM

then that makes byakugan an imperfect form of the sharingan. a less evolved bloodline.

they seem similar enough to me in the sense of being able to see chakra.

**DB_Hunter** · Sun, 10-11-2009, 08:35 AM

Not necessarily. Not all the eye techniques have to be equal, just like the bijuu. Kyuubi is the strongest, yet they have all come from one fused being. So the Byakugan could be more advanced than the Sharingan but less advanced than the Rinnegan.

Though the whole MS and EMS thing plays havoc with this theory. Maybe there is an evolved form of the Byakugan as well?

**iMUSTbeTHEdevil** · Sun, 10-11-2009, 11:27 AM

I think that Madara is a ghost of some sort. That is why he can move around and not get hurt and junk. He just focuses to use his "body" and sharingan to move and attack things.

**Logrus** · Sun, 10-11-2009, 11:47 AM

Hope it turns out only a person with the Body of the sage ( the senju) can hold the Jubi and madara explodes and relesing it that would be a good twist and the end of his overpowered rule.

Hopefully they will seal it in naruto then dump him in the moon for all eternity

**Naruto_RNG** · Sun, 10-11-2009, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by DB_Hunter

I reckon the Sharingan and Rinnegan both split the power of the original Juubi eye. The Uchiha's got the power of the tomoes hence which resulted in the Sharingan, hence only one cocentric circle whilst the Nagato's clan got the power of all the circles but not the tomoes, so that resulted in the Rinnegan. And maybe Byakugan was the power of just the 'white' of the eye, though I agree the Byakugan has been screwed.

So my theory is that all three different eye techniques are supposed to fuse as well to yield the 'ultimate' eye.

No dis to your theory but if uchihas got the power of tomos then I believe instead of one set of tomos there should be 3 just like how rinnegan has more then one circular line, and they should not be connected at all since you're referring to that circular line the tomos are on as rinnegan correct? I think kishi totally forgot about byakugan and where it fits in all this messed up uchiha story lol

**DB_Hunter** · Sun, 10-11-2009, 04:57 PM

Well I'm saying the each circular line has a power, and if the Sharingan had 3 circular lines the Rinnegan would be redundant. So the Sharingan got one line to hold the 3 tomoe's, and the Rinnegan got no tomoe's but all 3 lines. Naturally you put them together/fuse them you got something greater than what each can do, i.e 3 lines plus 9 tomoes.

**Archangel** · Sun, 10-11-2009, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by DB_Hunter

Well I'm saying the each circular line has a power, and if the Sharingan had 3 circular lines the Rinnegan would be redundant. So the Sharingan got one line to hold the 3 tomoe's, and the Rinnegan got no tomoe's but all 3 lines. Naturally you put them together/fuse them you got something greater than what each can do, i.e 3 lines plus 9 tomoes.

What came first? The chicken or the egg?

It's true what you say about the shape of the 10 tailed's eye, but wouldn't the sage already have the rinnegan when he captured it? And why would he only have the rinnegan if he had absorbed the beast? Shouldn't he have the same eye as it had should that be the case?

**Naruto_RNG** · Sun, 10-11-2009, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by DB_Hunter

Well I'm saying the each circular line has a power, and if the Sharingan had 3 circular lines the Rinnegan would be redundant. So the Sharingan got one line to hold the 3 tomoe's, and the Rinnegan got no tomoe's but all 3 lines. Naturally you put them together/fuse them you got something greater than what each can do, i.e 3 lines plus 9 tomoes.

Need clarification:

If you think that ten-tails beast eye is a combination of sharingan and rinnegan then I believe logically if u divide it up into two, you get 9 tomos and 3 circular lines correct?
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/467/17/
In that case uchihas got the 3 tomos as you have said and RS gets the circular lines (which I do not understand why he does not get both but thats not the issue here). Now as you have said above each line has a power, ok, uchihas can open up 3 tomos, wut about the other 6? surely byakugan and rinnegan cant have anything to do with it.

This theory also brings me to another question, rinnegan has more then 3 circular lines so where did the extras came from?
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/439/01/

**samsonlonghair** · Sun, 10-11-2009, 07:31 PM

I think the most significant thing that happened in this chapter is we see Rock Lee getting back into the story. When was the last time we saw him fight in the manga? Team Guy was away on a mission during Pein's invasion. We haven't really gotten a good Rock Lee fight since he fought Kimimaro. What kind of moves will Lee bust out soon?

**XanBcoo** · Sun, 10-11-2009, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Archangel

What came first? The chicken or the egg?

It's true what you say about the shape of the 10 tailed's eye, but wouldn't the sage already have the rinnegan when he captured it? And why would he only have the rinnegan if he had absorbed the beast? Shouldn't he have the same eye as it had should that be the case?

All I can do with this chapter is ask these kinds of questions.

**FireEmblem** · Sun, 10-11-2009, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by samsonlonghair

I think the most significant thing that happened in this chapter is we see Rock Lee getting back into the story. When was the last time we saw him fight in the manga? Team Guy was away on a mission during Pein's invasion. We haven't really gotten a good Rock Lee fight since he fought Kimimaro. What kind of moves will Lee bust out soon?

Oddly enough, I'm more interested in seeing Neji fight than Lee, but that isn't going to happen apparently.

Reasoning is that Neji is the most talented Hyuga, and will probably advance the bloodline farther than anyone in the series if we get to that point, so I would love to see some Byakugan hax. Like some major Byakugan hax. I want Neji to fire lasers from his eyes. Or to block ninjutsu with his eyes.

Tenbatsu · Sun, 10-11-2009, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by Naruto_RNG

Need clarification:

If you think that ten-tails beast eye is a combination of sharingan and rinnegan then I believe logically if u divide it up into two, you get 9 tomos and 3 circular lines correct?
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/467/17/
In that case uchihas got the 3 tomos as you have said and RS gets the circular lines (which I do not understand why he does not get both but thats not the issue here). Now as you have said above each line has a power, ok, uchihas can open up 3 tomos, wut about the other 6? surely byakugan and rinnegan cant have anything to do with it.

This theory also brings me to another question, rinnegan has more then 3 circular lines so where did the extras came from?
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/439/01/

Meh, That's the moon haxx. The actuall eye on the jubi had 4 lines. In this picture of the sage he has 2 lines in one eye and 3 in the other. It might be that the ultimate sharingan is when you have 9 tomos. Since you can awaken MS alone, that's 3 tomos. Then you take another MS to get EMS which makes it look like Madara has 6 tomos in the lower left corner of this page. You might not be able to do that again but have to mix it with another EMS and that's what he's wating for with Sasuke so he can steal his eyes and get 9 tomos. Sent him into battle with the kages to show him how weak he is so he'd finally accept that he needs EMS.

**bagandscalpel** · Mon, 10-12-2009, 02:55 AM

My god, why is there such an indepth examination of this?

Isn't it clear enough that this is all tripe that Kishi spilled onto paper after too little sleep?

Although, the reverse is true too, if he affirms such convoluted nonsense.

**Sidnne** · Mon, 10-12-2009, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by iMUSTbeTHEdevil

I think that Madara is a ghost of some sort. That is why he can move around and not get hurt and junk. He just focuses to use his "body" and sharingan to move and attack things.

So you're saying he is like post-Transformers: The Movie Starscream after Galvatron "killed" him and he was just a ghost in search of a new body and possessing other transformers?

I suppose that could make sense... He keeps saying he is just a shell. So, the 1st Hashirama detroyed Madara's body, but his spirit survived. and then he found Obito's body and possessed him. Right?

**Naruto_RNG** · Mon, 10-12-2009, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Tenbatsu

Meh, That's the moon haxx. The actuall eye on the jubi had 4 lines. In this picture of the sage he has 2 lines in one eye and 3 in the other. It might be that the ultimate sharingan is when you have 9 tomos. Since you can awaken MS alone, that's 3 tomos. Then you take another MS to get EMS which makes it look like Madara has 6 tomos in the lower left corner of this page. You might not be able to do that again but have to mix it with another EMS and that's what he's wating for with Sasuke so he can steal his eyes and get 9 tomos. Sent him into battle with the kages to show him how weak he is so he'd finally accept that he needs EMS.

I truly believe kishi just messed up this entire arc. Everything is just thrown at you without much cohesion.I hope there is no more ultimate hax eye/s(sharingan), cause its getting tiresome.

**DB_Hunter** · Mon, 10-12-2009, 03:13 PM

It just occured to me, why didn't Madara and his brother simply swap eyes? Surely he didn't grow an extra pair of eye sockets, so he would have had to get rid of his own eyes. Since both pairs of eyes were MS, hence both being affected by the 'darkness', a simple swap should have worked. Or am I missing something obvious?

**XanBcoo** · Mon, 10-12-2009, 03:45 PM

If Madara hadn't done that, then the world wouldn't have understood his hatred, clearly.

**DB_Hunter** · Mon, 10-12-2009, 04:51 PM

Also, it seems the only jutsu Sasuke seems to be using are the ones Itachi had... why doesn't Madara just take Itachi's eyes? Why the obsession with Sasuke's?

**Logrus** · Mon, 10-12-2009, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by DB_Hunter

It just occured to me, why didn't Madara and his brother simply swap eyes? Surely he didn't grow an extra pair of eye sockets, so he would have had to get rid of his own eyes. Since both pairs of eyes were MS, hence both being affected by the 'darkness', a simple swap should have worked. Or am I missing something obvious?

Yeah i was thinking the same but with itachi and sasuke :P

Just swap each others eyes and both go MS and go nuts

**Archangel** · Mon, 10-12-2009, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by DB_Hunter

It just occured to me, why didn't Madara and his brother simply swap eyes? Surely he didn't grow an extra pair of eye sockets, so he would have had to get rid of his own eyes. Since both pairs of eyes were MS, hence both being affected by the 'darkness', a simple swap should have worked. Or am I missing something obvious?

Isn't it too late to try and make sense of naruto now?

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