That's like saying that chidori and rasengan are the same because they're both chakra-based melee attacks.Originally Posted by UChessmaster
That's like saying that chidori and rasengan are the same because they're both chakra-based melee attacks.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
But Chidori IS a variation fo Rasengan, didn`t Kakashi said that?
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He might have said that it's a variation in the idea of Chakra manipulation, but he created the technique himself before he even knew what Rasengan was.
The seals are completely different. To say they've changed over time is a huge stretch. It's pretty obvious by this point that Kishimoto is retconning basically everything he's ever written to make room for his Sharingan Moon twist.
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
Alright then, but his example is rather... unfitting. It`s a variation because some steps from the original got changed, but in the end the result is the same, i really don`t see what`s so unbeleivable here.
As for the why it`s so different, we don`t know how much time has been since the sage sealed the 10 tails right? who`s to say is not enough time?
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Well the fourth did die after performing the sealing technique. The exact circumstances behind his death is still unknown so we can only assume that it's likely to be from using the jutsu.
The sealing techniques shown so far seem to involve the death of the user.
It's a stretch but Gaara weak seal might be due to his mom not performing the technique too well.
I agree that a lot of the revelations are bullshit, but at this point i'd rather just try to make them sound plausible than give up on the manga altogether.
Actually the sole reason Kakashi even created Chidori was because he saw his master (Yondaime) use Rasengan, and sought to be like him and try to use it. The outcome was Chidori.
I vaguely remember that. Do you remember where it happened?
I checked the Kakashi Gaiden, but didn't bother looking any further because fuck this manga.
In any case, that doesn't make it a variation of the Rasengan. By that logic, every jutsu ever is just a "variation" of some other jutsu because they share hand seals and elemental manipulation. It's an issue of semantics, but they are completely different (but similar) jutsu.
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
Kakashi having to develop a completely different jutsu to achieve a similar purpose only supports my overall argument, anyway.
If there's no death god involved in Gaara's seal, then saying the two are derivatives of the same original seal is completely ridiculous.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
As far as the Kakashi creation of chidori and the fourth Rasengan, I think it was the other way around. Kakashi created the chidori, and the fourth saw it's weaknesses, in that it required high speed to achieve the necessary power to pierce and since it was such a linear and rapid attack, if dodge, countering the attack would be nigh impossible (nevermind that we've seen the chidori be used upclose and personally without the speed buildup...). The rasengan was created, if I remember correctly, to correct those weaknesses (which have been forgotten by the manga writer) that the chidori had. The rasengan doesn't require the high speed for its effectiveness.
As far as unfitting examples go...while spanish may be a romantic language (as in, derived from latin) english on the other hand is a germanic language. They're etymologically distinct...
Actually I remembered it slightly wrong a little upon looking it up a bit. Kakashi can make a Rasengan, but was unable to add an "element" to it in conjunction, and the outcome was just Nature Manipulation in the form of Chidori.
They are "distinct", and yet share a common root in the Indus Valley. They are both "Indo-European" languages, like the majority of European languages, which means that they are etymologically derived from PIE -- the Proto-Indo-European languages.
Check out the migrations of PIE and IE speakers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IE3500BP.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IE2500BP.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IE1500BP.png
Basically, they're on the same family tree, based on the family tree of human migration from India into Europe via the Middle East. Indeed, everybody that isn't pure African is descended from an Indian.
"After all, I am strangely colored."
It's actually because of Middle English borrowing heavily from French that English shares a lot of qualities with Romance languages.
Anyway, let's not derail. I didn't spend 4 years studying Linguistics just to have someone link to a Wikipedia page.
I want to know where Danzo went. Maybe he buggered off to the moon as well.
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
Or maybe he just declared war on the ninja world...?
Or maybe stop at a burger drive-thru to grab a whopper.Or maybe he just declared war on the ninja world...?
This chapter is a total mindfuck. It just seems like Kishimoto is making stuff up to screw with everyone.
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And then what would he do up against the nine tails after he transports him to anywhere?
Clearly Madara did all this to get sasuke ready to go up against naruto. Which is basically what he said.
Didnt u c there were another 2 set of 3 tomos on the eye as well beside that one? all the tomos are connected by a circular line in a sharingan, its not a combination. RS already had rinnegan before he sealed ten-tails. Proof of this is again comes back to the pic of itachi's eyes. Unless u want to believe that itachi had rinnegan as well.
I reckon the Sharingan and Rinnegan both split the power of the original Juubi eye. The Uchiha's got the power of the tomoes hence which resulted in the Sharingan, hence only one cocentric circle whilst the Nagato's clan got the power of all the circles but not the tomoes, so that resulted in the Rinnegan. And maybe Byakugan was the power of just the 'white' of the eye, though I agree the Byakugan has been screwed.
So my theory is that all three different eye techniques are supposed to fuse as well to yield the 'ultimate' eye.
Only that, according to legend, the Sharingan came from the Rinnegan remember?
Yeah according to legend it also came from the Byakugan, so really the only way it can technically come from both (though I don't rememebr it coming from the Rinnegan) is if they all came from the same source, and the person relaying the 'Sharingan' story didn't understand the history properly.
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