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    In fact, I think Touma has been trying to keep a low profile on his ability. I'm not too sure that besides loli teacher, anyone know of Imagine Breaker or all of what he was able to do in the index arc. He probably discovered the extent of his own power along the way.

    Why am I writing this?
    Because Mikoto was surprised he's able to resist her power.
    More importantly, Kuroko was surprised she couldn't teleport with him, when she should have some data in the database regarding his power.

    There's also the fact that some people in the background know about touma, like the guy in that strange room talking to the esper using magic who works as a spy. Knowing that, they use him for some purposes and ultimate goal we do not know of for the moment.

    To summarize:
    Yes the measurement system is flawed for Touma, and maybe other students.
    Touma uses that flaw to keep low profile
    Some group know about Touma and use that.

    Now, it doesn't help us knowing much more.
    Also, it remains a bit out of subject in the Railgun Arc (at least for the moment)
    The only thing is that Touma could also be a key to anihilate both Magic and Esper powers from the Index+Railgun world.

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    I had forgotten all about the explanation in Index about Touma's power. Damn loli teacher talking too much. Well, that solves that issue. So, in fact Touma doesn't probably need to suffer any damage as long as whatever energy coming still has magical properties.

    Another matter is how long he can keep doing it. That in itself would at least be one factor in gauging his theoretical level.

    I don't really know why he wants to keep it a secret, though. It seems to me people in that academic city place lots of importance on the power level (making Misaka almost an idol, for example), so why does he want to appear a zero level failure? Because that makes it easier for him to keep telling himself he's oh the unluckiest person in the world (despite his harem).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco
    I had forgotten all about the explanation in Index about Touma's power. Damn loli teacher talking too much. Well, that solves that issue. So, in fact Touma doesn't probably need to suffer any damage as long as whatever energy coming still has magical properties.

    Another matter is how long he can keep doing it. That in itself would at least be one factor in gauging his theoretical level.

    I don't really know why he wants to keep it a secret, though. It seems to me people in that academic city place lots of importance on the power level (making Misaka almost an idol, for example), so why does he want to appear a zero level failure?
    He seems to be quite unlucky and wants a peacefull life?

    That reminds me that for him to be that unlucky is quite strange. That could mean good luck is a magical/esper power existing everywhere and the normal state of the world would be bad luck when I would think it would be pretty even. But it's just a digression.

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    Episode 04

    [Mazui]​ To​ Aru​ Kagaku​ no​ Railgun​ - 04​ - HD | SD
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    I can't stop grinning like a fool.
    I've been waiting for this episode since the start

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    I like the metal particles sand sword. To me, it requires a lot more control than what we've seen from Mikoto so far, so it was a nice addition. Now I understand a little more why she was a relevant target for the Accelerator.

    I also think Touma is a great sparing partner for her.
    He's the only one with who she be at full power. Being able to use her power at will is a big plus towards controling it even further. It might also be good for stamina.
    We know little about where the energy comes from for the various powers and if overusing them could cause some kind of depletion.

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    So, does this give proof that Touma and Mikoto's first meeting really was not on the bridge? Mikoto was not surprised on the bridge one bit. She was completely astonished that Touma blocked her in the flashback at the storefront.

    The evidence seems to support the bridge being a subsequent meeting, but well before the start of this series.

    The undressing woman and Mikoto's denials of liking Touma were funny, but overall the episode needed more Kuroko (serious or otherwise). I really enjoyed the prank Saten and Uihara played on Kuroko about the curse being contagious.

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    Her reaction when she grabbed his hand and instantly became powerless was priceless. It really shows that Mikoto (and many other espers most likely) are very reliant and proud of their powers. When they lose them, even temporarily, the psychological damage can do more than physical strikes. They get drunk on the confidence having esper abilities gives them.

    It is also interesting seeing Touma from Mikoto's point of view, because we are starting to realize the true depth of Index's memory wipe. We just saw the bridge and a short meeting between Mikoto and Touma in the first series. They've evidently been meeting a number of times before he met Index. Touma lost a great deal more than I had thought.
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    The scientist woman must be Hosaka's (Minami-ke) relative...

    I think this was easily the best Railgun ep so far and precisely because Touma was in it so prominently. Being in his company transforms Mikoto from an ordinary zinc-carbon battery into a real lithium battery. You could really see in this episode how much she enjoys his company even though I doubt she even knows his name. Considering her all-girls school, Touma could be the only guy she knows at all, which would make it no wonder she'd like to spend more time with him. Touma isn't any scumbag after all.

    The bathroom tsundere scene was priceless. It's not that many series yet that actually utter that word aloud. Another very nice scene was the moment Touma raise his fist and Mikoto realised she would get hit maybe for the first time since forever. Although it's quite obvious Touma would never actually hit her, at least under such circumstances.

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    That was a nice treat, i didn't expect us to get this episode so soon

    Lol this is one of the things that makes the series great, it's not above making fun f itself from time to time. The tsun moment in the bathroom was priceless, especially because i think it was an anime original ( i might be wrong )

    We also got to see why Misaka is the third most powerful level 5, electrical control is more than just firing pew pew lasers all the time

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    Great episode, though I think I enjoyed the previous ones on a nearly equal level. Still.. Kuroko banging her head repeatedly on the desk got me cracking.

    I agree with Ryll about Touma's memory loss. It really wasn't that powerful in Index because it focused on his losing all 3 days of memory of her, but in Mikoto's scenario the gravity is on a completely different level. Thankfully, Touma's bluffing was superb. I don't know if I could bear seeing Mikoto cry for real.

    The tsun moment in the bathroom was priceless, especially because i think it was an anime original ( i might be wrong )
    Hitagi (Bakemonogatari) is a self-proclaimed tsundere.

    We also got to see why Misaka is the third most powerful level 5, electrical control is more than just firing pew pew lasers all the time
    The iron-sand saw was a new trick, but I'm not sure if it beats the railgun in terms of control. I say this because it's creating an oscillating field around her hand, while the railgun required both control and speed of switching the electric field on and off at specific intervals, taking into regard the mass of the coin and its instantaneous velocity to calculate where and when each "pulse" needs to be.
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    Isn't Toumas powers pretty weirdly depicted? Well maybe it's just my opinion seeing as he stopped Misakas railgun and ironsand, which should mean if you use your power to move something it won't have an effect on him. But use your power to throw a car at him and he'll jump out of the way. Technically shouldn't he be able to stop it if he can stop a railgun.

    Ohh as for the whole whether Touma and Misaka knew each other at the beginning of Index, the manga chapters are named after days with the first chapter being July 16th while the Index manga states the day he ran away from the thugs that hit on Misaka as July 19th. If that clears anything up other than the scene in the last ep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fireheart
    Isn't Toumas powers pretty weirdly depicted? Well maybe it's just my opinion seeing as he stopped Misakas railgun and ironsand, which should mean if you use your power to move something it won't have an effect on him. But use your power to throw a car at him and he'll jump out of the way. Technically shouldn't he be able to stop it if he can stop a railgun.
    The sand was actively held together by Misaka's electric field. It makes sense that he can turn it back to normal sand.

    I remember nothing about him nullifying her railgun. The coin's already accelerated, and is not under her influence after it's left the "cannon", so to speak. If memory serves correctly, he dodged them on the bridge, which was the only scene I remember him being shot at by railguns

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
    The sand was actively held together by Misaka's electric field. It makes sense that he can turn it back to normal sand.

    I remember nothing about him nullifying her railgun. The coin's already accelerated, and is not under her influence after it's left the "cannon", so to speak. If memory serves correctly, he dodged them on the bridge, which was the only scene I remember him being shot at by railguns
    Well even if they're held together she's making them vibrate and moving them which means they should have a bit of momentum even after he nullify the sand.

    Well had to check again after you mentioned him not stopping the railgun and yeah seems he never tried to stop it. Sorry my bad

    Ohh and it seems the index manga depicts their meeting on the bridge as their first ever so yeah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fireheart

    Ohh and it seems the index manga depicts their meeting on the bridge as their first ever so yeah.
    Index's manga should never be taken as a serious source. Specially since they skip arcs (like Himegami... or whatever her name was... even the shorts make fun of her). The good source is the novel.

    Whereas Railgun's source is indeed the manga. The story was written by the novel author, an is hinted even on the first novel (there, now I can say it), but it was made a manga instead. Why? I dunno.


    I need to watch this episode four more times...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco
    Another very nice scene was the moment Touma raise his fist and Mikoto realised she would get hit maybe for the first time since forever. Although it's quite obvious Touma would never actually hit her, at least under such circumstances.
    best scene

    not only because of it's cuteness, but also because of touma's reaction and acting.

    oh well, it's really impossible to hit a girl like that, he had no chance to win this from the very beginning

    on a side note, the fight-animation is really good and Touma is actually fairly skilled.. and so is Mikoto, she's actually using tactics and does not rely solely on her Railgun
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    Quote Originally Posted by KrayZ33
    he had no chance to win this from the very beginning
    I believe he did think he would have a chance. To be precise, he thought Mikoto would give up at some point and that would be his victory (I doubt Touma really is that keen on beating somebody for no concrete reason). But of course she wouldn't. She has worked too hard to become level 5 and a tsundere can't give up like that in front of her love interest.

    It would have actually been nice to see an alternative scene in which Touma had just patted her head telling everything's alright...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco
    It would have actually been nice to see an alternative scene in which Touma had just patted her head telling everything's alright...
    It would result in something like this

    http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/699/i...arailgun10.png
    http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3...arailgun11.png
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    One thing I disliked about the episode was that the purpose of the last scene was changed because of Kuroko. The original scene didn't had her crying over a cursed Mikoto, but rather Kuroko cringed upon seeing Mikoto sleeping happily, while hugging her pillow, implying that whatever may have happened to her had her in a great mood.

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