Bleach 234

[Kraco]

Hichigo's power probably is only due to the fact he isn't as naive and hesitant a fool as Ichigo. We have learned a long time ago that a zanpakutou only cuts when the hand that wields it wants to cut. Ichigo, being a far too typical shounen hero, almost never wants to cut anybody and thus he rarely can. If he had a healthy attitude like Kenpachi, he would kick ass in shikai already and major ass in bankai. Vaizard mode would make him unstoppable.

But alas this is no Kaze no Stigma so we have no chances of Ichigo ever gaining an attitude suitable for a man carrying a sword.

[Xyrox]

I don't think Hollow Ichigo has any "new" moves he can teach Ichigo, and even if he does, he wouldn't teach him anyways. Hollow Ichigo basically has the same moveset as Ichigo, except more powerful.

Wasn't it Hichigo who "taught" Ichigo the black version of Getsuga Tenshou by doing it when Ichigo lost control of his body (vs Byakuya if I remember correctly)?

I really doubt we will see Kenpachi in this arc, since we don't know anything about his Zanpakutou (except that it's one of the more likely to revolt on its own, if it was possible). Although it would be hilarious if Muramasa tried to "free" the Zanpakutou (like he did to Ichigo) and Kenpachi just go "What the hell?" and slice him up.

[Nadouku]

Wasn't it Hichigo who "taught" Ichigo the black version of Getsuga Tenshou by doing it when Ichigo lost control of his body (vs Byakuya if I remember correctly)?

I'm pretty sure if Ichigo knows how to use the regular Getsuga Tensho, then he would naturally know how to use the black Getsuga Tensho in Bankai. Hollow Ichigo uses it because he is a better user than Ichigo will ever be and what a sight, too. He even rubs it in his face and says "you just imitate what I do, like the black Getsuga Tensho". Too bad Ichigo refuses to let him "help" out.

[Logrus]

You are so not getting what i thinking but never mind that just smth to keep in mind.

And i really think that will play an important part later.

[Nadouku]

Do explain to us on what "we're not getting". It's kind of hard to know what you're thinking.

[David75]

I really doubt we will see Kenpachi in this arc, since we don't know anything about his Zanpakutou (except that it's one of the more likely to revolt on its own, if it was possible). Although it would be hilarious if Muramasa tried to "free" the Zanpakutou (like he did to Ichigo) and Kenpachi just go "What the hell?" and slice him up.

I do not see Muramasa being able to extract Kenpachi's zanpaktou soul.
These fillers may explain why.
Kenpachi has an over the top reiatsu. He doesn't even need a Shikai to fight.
My guess is that he doesn't have a zanpaktou soul, there's no room for it. You could
say that his own soul acts as a zanpaktou. His high level or reiatsu being enough to protect his blade for the massive attacks and defenses when he fights.

If he does possess one, then Muramasa is screwed because there's no way he has enough reiatsu to overcome Kenpaichi's reiatsu and perform the extraction.

[DarthEnderX]

Hichigo definitely has moves that Ichigo doesn't.

I specifically remember one time when the two of them fought, Hichigo started holding his Zangetsu by it's wrapping and swinging it around like a flail, and Ichigo went, "I didn't know you could wield Zangetsu by its wrap."

Hichigo said he and Zangestsu were orginally one? and Hichigo always uses that reverse shikai of zangetsu. Does that mean boht Zangetsu and Hichigo have/are 2 diffrent swords?

I agree with this because it fits into my theory of Arrancar blades being different from Shinigami Zanpaktou, and Ichigo could actually have both. I think the reverse blade that Hichigo uses is what Ichigo would have if he ever became an Arrancar.

[Kraco]

Hichigo started holding his Zangetsu by it's wrapping and swinging it around like a flail, and Ichigo went, "I didn't know you could wield Zangetsu by its wrap."

How does that prove anything but that Ichigo has the wits of a rubber boot?

Arrancar blades as such seem to hold no special abilities whatsoever, so possessing one wouldn't be such a cool thing in the end for a shinigami. The significance would only be to fuse with the blade and gain the true hollow form with all the new attributes it brings with it.

[Logrus]

I agree with this because it fits into my theory of Arrancar blades being different from Shinigami Zanpaktou, and Ichigo could actually have both. I think the reverse blade that Hichigo uses is what Ichigo would have if he ever became an Arrancar.[/QUOTE]

You seem to get where im going my idea.


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Please tell me what you think of that

[Vorlath]

From what I understand, Aizen was experimenting with holloification. Also from the show, the Zampaktou is a manifestation of the owner's soul. So a Vizard is one where the evil potential has entered a person and the evil Zampaktou essentially overpowered or ejected the good Zampaktou.

With Ichigo, his soul chain was severed and he had to fight against the evil potential of his soul which was then incarnated through Hichigo. Neither side was able to eject the other, so Ichigo has to maintain control.

So am I to understand that the good Zampaktou of Vizards no longer exist. That Aizen was able to eradicate them in order to induce the Holloification process?

Oh, and do Zampaktou have their own soul chain even though they are manifestations of their owners?

Are ressurection similar to Bankai? If so, does this mean that Ichigo has an evil version of his Bankai up his sleeve that he hasn't used yet?

From what I've seen of the show, Arrancar seem to be the opposites of Shinigami. Ichigo should theoretically have the ability to go resurrection AND Bankai at the exact same time.

[Kraco]

I think you have acquired a mistaken conception somewhere along the way. Hollows as such aren't evil nor do they represent evilness. They are more like instincts and regret. It was even said directly in the beginning that a hollow is the soul of somebody who couldn't let go of the mortal world but was stuck there for whatever (personal) reason. However, they begin to lose their mind and thus eventually turn to evil deeds guided by their instincts. It seems to me arrancars are beings that have finally returned to their senses.

Unless you belong to some philosophical school believing all instincts are evil.

[Archangel]

I think you have acquired a mistaken conception somewhere along the way. Hollows as such aren't evil nor do they represent evilness. They are more like instincts and regret. It was even said directly in the beginning that a hollow is the soul of somebody who couldn't let go of the mortal world but was stuck there for whatever (personal) reason. However, they begin to lose their mind and thus eventually turn to evil deeds guided by their instincts. It seems to me arrancars are beings that have finally returned to their senses.

Unless you belong to some philosophical school believing all instincts are evil.

I would say that arrancar are indeed evil, seeing as they do possess intelect

[Kraco]

Nel is also an arrancar and so far not an overly evil one. I think their evilness may be due to a number of factors: They lost their minds once and got accustomed to a moralless status, they were cannibals (in order to reach the menos status), they serve under Aizen, they are in constant struggle to maintain their relative positions...

Of course it goes without saying there's always something wrong with every hollow, arrancar or otherwise, or they wouldn't be hollows in the first place. And normally it's certainly nothing good.

I mainly objected to calling shinigami zanpakutou good and arrancar blades evil. Both are weapons, after all, and the primary function of a weapon is to kill, no matter if it's good or evil. Unless you say an evil weapon would be one that hurts the owner as much as the target.

[Archangel]

Nel is also an arrancar and so far not an overly evil one. I think their evilness may be due to a number of factors: They lost their minds once and got accustomed to a moralless status, they were cannibals (in order to reach the menos status), they serve under Aizen, they are in constant struggle to maintain their relative positions...

Of course it goes without saying there's always something wrong with every hollow, arrancar or otherwise, or they wouldn't be hollows in the first place. And normally it's certainly nothing good.

Yes, this explanation suits me just fine