Didn`t he now?Originally Posted by Sidnne
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/446/13/
Didn`t he now?
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/446/13/
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Do tell then what happens in this page? I see both Hanzo and Danzou together against Nagato's faction.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/446/13/
However... do note he already didn't had an eye here, so discard the theory of him losing the eye here. But the battle DID take place.
No. He didn't.
Danzou isn't actually there with Hanzo. His image appears because Nagato mentioned his name. Its pretty clear that the ONLY frame Danzou appears in during that flashback is a recollection frame due to the black background and him not being out in the rain like everyone else.Do tell then what happens in this page? I see both Hanzo and Danzou together against Nagato's faction.
Then why is he wearing his sword? He's Roots ANBU. Are you sure he's not wearing a mask and fighting?
"After all, I am strangely colored."
Its just his image appearing due to his name being mentioned. I don't know why that would be difficult to understand for anyone who isn't new to manga.
Last edited by Sidnne; Sat, 08-08-2009 at 12:01 AM.
I love that Shikamaru and crew are teaming up to take Sasuke matters into their own hands.
Where the hell is Naruto in this chapter? The damn book is named after him, but he only gets one page plus one panel out of the whole chapter. He spent his whole time laying on the floor pouting about Sasuke. Hell of a main character.
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Sidnne is right that was my bad.
Last edited by UChessmaster; Fri, 08-07-2009 at 11:00 PM.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
if tracking down missing nins is so important, then why wasn't Orochimaru and Itachi killed sooner?
plus, he only became a missing nin to kill another missing ninja. if the death of ninja who "betray" they're village is so important, then shouldn't he get some credit for killing two of konoha's most powerful missing nins?
Orochimaru went to war with the village, and Sasuke killed him. and he gets nothing at all for doing that? he gets nothing for killing the man who killed the 3rd hokage?
the only reason he should be regarded as a criminal is because of his attack on Killabee. Which is only viewed as a bad thing because Killabee decided to run away from his village after the failed attempt. if he had gone back to the cloud-kage, and been like "yeah, akatsuki attacked me, but i'm too strong" then i doubt this whole meeting would have ever come about.
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Who in the village could kill them after they tracked them down? Have you read this manga or seen the show?
We're done with this, stop with the fucking trolling already
sasuke..
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To begin, Itachi and Orochimaru are in whole different leagues of power. It took the Hokage's life just to get his arms >.>. Do you really think some lowly ANBU would've stood a shadow of a chance. They didn't even know what Orochimaru looked like at the beginning of the series. He changes bodies if you even watched/read this series. It wasn't until the end of the Exams that they found out who he was and even then it was too late. Also add on the fact that Orochimaru is no idiot and wasn't going to get caught with all of his diguises/plans/and hideouts.
Itachi was part of Akatsuki and originally in ANBU. Like he would be caught by the people he worked for. On top of that his power was far surpassed Orochimaru's. If it took a Hokage's death to slow down him what makes you think any other ninja were up to the task of killing Itachi. And yes Itachi was stronger than Orochimaru. Orochimaru admitted this himself.
Now even though Sasuke killed one of those Ninja (Itachi killed Orochimaru. If you read this series then you would know this.) he did it for his own reasons. That doesn't make him a hero. Now if he killed him then went strait back to the village WITH his body then it may have. But seeing as he turned right around and joined a group that wants the world under their rule alone, I see that him being killed is justified. Add in that he got Killerbee (of course ONLY WE the viewers/readers and Akatsuki know that he is alive) and nearly started a war himself.
And to end this Sasuke is known to be a definite member of Akatsuki because he was seen and he wears their colors. This makes him top priority because they have identified him and he has directly affected a country.
BTW being in Akatsuki is sufficient reason for being killed. If you read this series then you would know Akatsuki has committed countless atrocities. Nearly destroyed the Sand Village, nearly killed Garra, destroyed Konoha, manipulated countries, captured the tailed beasts, is comprised of powerful missing nin, killed many Ninja, incited war... the list goes on for days.
Also technically Orochimaru is dead and at the same time he is not as confirmed by Konoha ninjas. If Kabuto loses then Orochi is back.
And to your above post I say no. Clearly you just proved right there that you skimmed this series and didn't even READ IT. Sasuke wasn't even on their level when he was in the village nor anyone else except Jiriya. and he was training Naruto. So yeah... good job there.
Please dont take this offensively. Regardless of how much hatred on people who betrays. Just look at how Itachi turned out.
If what Madara/Tobi said about Itachi is even close to the any part of the truth, Itachi did not betray his village. He obeyed an order to prevent an uprising. He should no longer be classified as a missing-nin, rather a agent that really got his bottom taken out because of the secrecy of his mission.
However, Itachi was labeled as a missing-nin, despite the knowledge of this by the 3rd Hokage, elders and Danzo? They keep the secret and not openly declaring to have Itachi eliminated?
Sasuke, did in the eyes of the whole village betrayed them, by leaving to join Orochimaru.
He left because he wanted power to get rid of the mass murderer Itachi. While the end means, is for his clan and village, the way he went about it was wrong. Despite labeling it wrong, Sasuke did made a conscious effort not to kill his best friend off and just walked off, saying he would get power without killing his best friend, lesser of 2 evil.
That alone is good enough for his friend, I am sure this is not a sign of utter viciousness/disloyalty. Sasuke did do a lot of good, as we know he didnt kill people wantonly and in all cases just disabled, like the Gundam seed hero(Kira) - cant say the same about Jugo, Sound five like Kimmimaro, Orochimaru's previous bodies.
As for attacking killabee, that is once again due to the Akatsuki evil leaders, for now he has the goal of killing Danzo for what he did to his brother, therefore he follows once again bad company. But if he is capable of killing Orochimaru, we can only keep our finger crossed that he can eliminate the Akatsuki.
Well, in case you have forgotten, Sasuke's mission was not over yet, at least his own goal was to kill Itachi and no one could have predicted that he would not have just went back to Konoha after taking out Itachi. It was interception by Tobi that prevented Naruto from meeting Sasuke after Itachi died, which I am sure he would have been able to calm him down.
and sasuke killed them.... the most powerful, un-catch-able evil nins, and sasuke tracked them down and killed them. sure, it took 3 years, but he still did it...
wait, you mean when sasuke is fighting itachi, and that small part of orochimaru who latched onto sasuke came out? okay, even though itachi finished off the fragment of orochimaru's spirit that was residing in sasuke until that moment, Sasuke took all of his power and freed his prisoners, and prevented him from committing anymore atrocities.Now even though Sasuke killed one of those Ninja (Itachi killed Orochimaru. If you read this series then you would know this.) he did it for his own reasons. That doesn't make him a hero. Now if he killed him then went strait back to the village WITH his body then it may have. But seeing as he turned right around and joined a group that wants the world under their rule alone, I see that him being killed is justified. Add in that he got Killerbee (of course ONLY WE the viewers/readers and Akatsuki know that he is alive) and nearly started a war himself.
is isn't a real akatsuki member. Hawk still functions as it's own entity. he's juts using akatsuki to fulfill his goal. (something that the kages do from time to time).And to end this Sasuke is known to be a definite member of Akatsuki because he was seen and he wears their colors. This makes him top priority because they have identified him and he has directly affected a country.
he isn't in akatsuki, he's in Hawk, who's teaming with akatsuki.BTW being in Akatsuki is sufficient reason for being killed. If you read this series then you would know Akatsuki has committed countless atrocities. Nearly destroyed the Sand Village, nearly killed Garra, destroyed Konoha, manipulated countries, captured the tailed beasts, is comprised of powerful missing nin, killed many Ninja, incited war... the list goes on for days.
Kabuto integrated fragments of orochimaru's corpse into him. orochimaru was more alive in Sasuke than he is in Kabuto. all that matters is that now Orochimaru has no power, and he can't do anything. stealing body parts from dead people and utilizing their power is common in their world...Also technically Orochimaru is dead and at the same time he is not as confirmed by Konoha ninjas. If Kabuto loses then Orochi is back.
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1. I would not say he did not break any rules, laws or regulation of the sectarian Ninja village.
If he lived in a democratic society, having a change of a Teacher is perfectly fine. He made a choice, it may be good or bad, you cant judge him just based on the fact that it was against the rule.
2. He did attempt to murder Naruto. But when it really mattered he did not finish Naruto off, he had a shred of good in him. This must be brought up so as not to continuously bash Sasuke.
3. When you obey mindlessly what your teacher orders you, you do all kind of bad things and good ones. But his goal of becoming powerful, he pretty much only did the lesser evil of all things. Remember the field of ninjas? and Orochimaru commenting that he is not killing all those people whom he defeated.
4. Couldnt have caused a war against Konoha, Konoha cooperated immediately by providing information on Akatsuki. The lightning village was more or less begging Konoha for information, while Konoha being ravaged by Akatsuki itself was more then willing to cooperate.
5. Once again, Sasuke even though has the Sharingan, has not prove to be entirely great at preventing himself from being manipulated by old timer. It is a bad decision to just believe in what Tobi tells him.
6. Wow, where did he announce that he wants to destroy the entire Konoha, that is way too strong, because I dont think he would want to kill the Ramen vendor. Please correct your believe.
From the point of view of the Kage summit, yes a hunt on anyone of the Akatsuki member would be valid. Do not just focus on Sasuke. That would be prudent.
From the point of view of the individual villages, they might want to hunt specific Akatsuki members, or harbor them based on "emotional" events as I have listed above. Only certain subset of members in the village would feel that way.
I take offense that you have went and insulted my idea as retarded. As I had written, it is a theory, a possible plot that Danzo was using Sasuke as a spy to kill Orochimaru and or now Akatsuki. If you have your mind closed, and unable to read beneath the line, that is where you fail. This is a ninja manga for fuck sake, dont just take everything for granted and like its the unbreakable rule.
>_< I don't know what else to say...this trollery is out of hand.
I do not know what more explanations either of you all possibly need. It seems like you all either did not read the series, or did not properly comprehend it. If someone is associated with an international criminal group, they might as well be a part of it, especially if they are carrying out missions for them; essentially they are one and the same at that point. And I don't think anyone cares about what Sasuke almost didn't do or who corrupted him, or how he feels. According to the Law of the land in Naruto, He is a criminal, plain and simple. Even Tsunade knew this, but she just wasn't hardline enough to have him done in. However, if he had been caught, I doubt Konoha would have just forgiven him for running away.
On another note, I wonder who is policing Konoha now? Surely they must have gotten a new police force since all the Uchihas died.
Sasuke hasn't killed anyone yet, he sealed Oro but was slowly losing control. Itachi practically committed suicide because he wanted to rid his precious little brother of Oro and make him a hero of Konoha.
This however proves that Sasuke is a dumbass cause it just backfired since Sasuke has run away and sided with the wrong people and he DID say he would kill the elders of konoha, and even if they might've had some sort of evil agenda (danzou excluded ofcourse), that would still be a very hostile act against the village.
So he became somewhat of a hero, but then he committed several hostile acts:
1. Joining akatsuki - hostile against everyone.
2. Attacking Killerbee, and hawk killing Jay - Hostile against lightning.
3. Plotting to kill danzou and elders - hostile against konoha (ok, I don't think anyone would care about danzou really, but the others seem alright).
To the rest of the ninja world Sasuke just appears as a missing-nin with a very random hostile agenda and is clearly a criminal no matter what his motives are. If he just went back to konoha with itachi's body..... I think everything would've been fine.
Last edited by darkshadow; Sat, 08-08-2009 at 08:26 PM.
Pandadice and depthcharge make good points.
Sasuke has probably done more good for Konoha than bad, either on accident or on purpose. We will have to wait and see why that is, if there is a cohesive reason at all. I suspect the Third and Fourth Hokages know something we don't. Unfortunately, if only the Third knew this hypothetical secret, he took it to the grave.
Either way, lets take stock of what he has done. He killed Orochimaru, Deidara, and Itachi. Three Akatsuki. Because of Itachi's Amaterasu, Sasuke knows that Amaterasu isn't effective against Madara's space-time jutsu (and neither is raikiri) and is looking for a weakness. Through accident and on purpose, Sasuke has tried to kill Akatsuki's leader twice.
Killing Itachi wasn't such a win for Konoha, but certainly Danzou must have cheered a little bit inside. Konoha's leadership considered Itachi a missing-nin despite knowing the truth of his story. On the other hand, I don't expect the Sandaime Hokage to have sent out many ANBU teams after Itachi.
Killing off Deidara and Orochimaru are clear wins for Konoha.
Also, missing-nin status is rather odd. Jiraiya and Tsunade left Konoha for years at a time, and we've seen Jiraiya do it without "body guards" to protect the secrets of his body. He didn't even ask for permission to teach Nagato and the kids. He just stayed.
Tsunade was literally missing. Jiraiya and Naruto had to seek her out. Being a missing nin is obviously not that serious on its own, and in fact seems like a label villages use to distance themselves from rogue ninjas politically.
Let's not forget that Danzou is an unambiguous enemy of Konoha too, at this point. His stupid Sharingan shenanigans have done more to start a war than Sasuke's attack on Killerbee. Using your Sharingan's hypnotic powers to become Hokage is betrayal too. Killing Danzou isn't exactly a bad thing, even if Konoha doesn't know it yet.
The rest are what-ifs and maybes. Some point to Sasuke being beyond redemption. Some point to Sasuke being ANBU, like Itachi and Kakashi before him at his pre-timeskip age. Unfortunately for Sasuke, most of what Konoha's characters know about points to the former. I can understand why they feel the need to eliminate him.
But if we're going to judge the merits of that position, we need to either do it from an omniscient perspective, or from Konoha's perspective. Konoha doesn't know anything about Sasuke wanting to kill Danzou and the elders. So that should not enter into Konoha's considerations. From Konoha's point of view, the only thing he has done that is unambiguously bad is attacking Killa Bee.
Last edited by poopdeville; Sat, 08-08-2009 at 12:58 PM.
"After all, I am strangely colored."
He betrayed the village. Period. He became a criminal once he decided to leave the village and join one of their worst enemies.
Do you remember that no one knew Naruto was the Kyuubi Jinchuuriki? Therefore, he tried with all his might to kill him when he impaled him with Chidori.2. He did attempt to murder Naruto. But when it really mattered he did not finish Naruto off, he had a shred of good in him. This must be brought up so as not to continuously bash Sasuke.
Lets say someone tries to kill you. They hurt you. A lot. And at the end they decide not to kill you. Oh well, what does it matter? You are alive! Let that person go free! He didn't kill you so it doesn't matter!
Sasuke may have decided to not kill in order to not do what his brother said. Correct. But he still was following a wanted criminal. Willingly.3. When you obey mindlessly what your teacher orders you, you do all kind of bad things and good ones. But his goal of becoming powerful, he pretty much only did the lesser evil of all things. Remember the field of ninjas? and Orochimaru commenting that he is not killing all those people whom he defeated.
The was wasn't caused because Konoha said Sasuke was a missing nin. If they hadn't, they would have declared war.4. Couldnt have caused a war against Konoha, Konoha cooperated immediately by providing information on Akatsuki. The lightning village was more or less begging Konoha for information, while Konoha being ravaged by Akatsuki itself was more then willing to cooperate.
And yet he joins another wanted criminal. Oh yeah. He's innocent.5. Once again, Sasuke even though has the Sharingan, has not prove to be entirely great at preventing himself from being manipulated by old timer. It is a bad decision to just believe in what Tobi tells him.
Sasuke: I will crush Konoha.6. Wow, where did he announce that he wants to destroy the entire Konoha, that is way too strong, because I dont think he would want to kill the Ramen vendor. Please correct your believe.
Source: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/402/17/
Who said they should just hunt Sasuke? We mentioned Sasuke is a criminal. he ain't a cute little innocent bunny.From the point of view of the Kage summit, yes a hunt on anyone of the Akatsuki member would be valid. Do not just focus on Sasuke. That would be prudent.
From the point of view of the individual villages, they might want to hunt specific Akatsuki members, or harbor them based on "emotional" events as I have listed above. Only certain subset of members in the village would feel that way.
I take offense that you have went and insulted my idea as retarded. As I had written, it is a theory, a possible plot that Danzo was using Sasuke as a spy to kill Orochimaru and or now Akatsuki. If you have your mind closed, and unable to read beneath the line, that is where you fail. This is a ninja manga for fuck sake, dont just take everything for granted and like its the unbreakable rule.
Sasuke NEVER would have worked for someone else while he still hunted Itachi. He was always thinking of himself. None of Danzos promises could have made him agree to spy for him. He only cared about killing Itachi.
Sasuke may have done good to Konoha, unwillingly, but the fact remains. He betrayed them. He intends to destroy them.
Itachi was labeled a missing-nin as a scapegoat. They could not publish the fact they ordered a full clan to be slaughtered. It doesn't mean its right. But its how they work on that world.
You may find that your leader is the worst criminal (Mizukage Madara). But he is still your leader. If you defect the village you are a criminal. At least for your village.
Missing nin equals criminal in this world.
Tsunade and Jiraiya left Konoha? True. Under permission. They never fled against orders nor they tried to kill a fellow Konoha nin.
Now let the troll end.
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