One Piece Episode 410

[chambers]

I think thats the kicker really, we all recognize now that haki is what the dark king used in the auction house, and also what shanks used on whitebeards crew. But we DONT KNOW that what raleigh used in order to combat Kizaru...

#one thing i do think however is that haki is an ability, an ability to focus ones will. Luffy may have the presence, determination and strength to knock people down with a look, but unless somone shows him how to tap into the techniques it will never reach its full potential.

Now it can be argued that "oh but how can ambition be a basis for techniques" well if you take into account that this is a work of fiction and i cant even think of a long running shonen anime that DIDNT have some kind of secret none real powersource that characters could tap into .... and they ALL created preassure (and its been described that way many times) on the relative opponent. From Naruto and bleach to Hajime no ippo. When you focus on your ambitions you become more determined and can achive things seemingly out of reach.

[UChessmaster]

I hope Silver`s ability to stop logia users is a DF, it would nerf logia users severelly otherwise.

[Assertn]

I hope Silver`s ability to stop logia users is a DF, it would nerf logia users severelly otherwise.

On one hand, I agree. On the other hand....
It would also be lame if someone like Shanks, who also mastered haki and clearly has no DF, was defenseless against someone like Smoker.

[Archangel]

I hope Silver`s ability to stop logia users is a DF, it would nerf logia users severelly otherwise.

What's wrong with nerfing the haxx?

How exactly do you expect Luffy to go against the admirals otherwise?

[chambers]

oh wait... now that you mention that it makes me wonder...

black beard has a dark/shadow fruit and can remove other users powers when they touch him right? DARK king raleigh? coincidence?

[UChessmaster]

What's wrong with nerfing the haxx?

How exactly do you expect Luffy to go against the admirals otherwise?

Crocodile, Enel, both logia users, both defeated, both times we wondered "How exactly do we expect luffy to go against that?"

[Assertn]

Crocodile, Enel, both logia users, both defeated, both times we wondered "How exactly do we expect luffy to go against that?"

So how would you propose someone would fight against light? Darkness?

A nerfing tool has already been introduced into the series anyway -- Kairoseki.
I still think Wiper and Zoro could have killed Enel if Wiper held Enel down with the kairoseki while Zoro chopped off his head.

[UChessmaster]

If there is a way to defeat sand and thunder, i`m sure there is one to beat light and darkness, although darkness doesn`t seems THAT hard to defeat. someone with superior fighting skills should defeat BB.

[Archangel]

Crocodile, Enel, both logia users, both defeated, both times we wondered "How exactly do we expect luffy to go against that?"

Actually, i called how Enel was going to be defeated the moment i realized he was an electrical man ( and i'm sure i wasn't the only one )

And as far as i'm concerned Haki is a great solution for what i thought was way too much of an haxx ability.

[UChessmaster]

Actually, i called how Enel was going to be defeated the moment i realized he was an electrical man ( and i'm sure i wasn't the only one )

And as far as i'm concerned Haki is a great solution for what i thought was way too much of an haxx ability.

The problem is that using haki to nulify logia doesn`t balances a thing, i just feel that making it so is the easy way out, kishimoto haven`t given Zoro a waterstone sword for that reason as far as i`m concerned, how would this be any diferent? it would become a race of seeing how fast you can reach that fire user and hit him with your own OP paramecia fruit,if haki really can nulify logia then i hope none of the crew learns it.

[Splash!]

Nothing that we have seen suggests that Haki can nullify logia abilities. Even at Rayleigh's level (the level of a man who is been to the end of the world and back), the only thing he has gained is the ability to land a physical hit. Blackbeard is the only one who can NULLIFY.

Why does everyone forget that there is more to a logia user than the ability to let attacks pass through? So what if they aren't physically invulnerable anymore, they can still control an element. This gives them a reason to get better at using their powers. Being untouchable doesn't really give you much incentive to get stronger.

[The Chancellor]

What's wrong with nerfing the haxx?

Because brohammer:

A. This isn't World Of Warcraft

B. Nerfing would entail someone of great strength to get suddenly weaker.

[UChessmaster]

Nothing that we have seen suggests that Haki can nullify logia abilities. Even at Rayleigh's level (the level of a man who is been to the end of the world and back), the only thing he has gained is the ability to land a physical hit. Blackbeard is the only one who can NULLIFY.

Why does everyone forget that there is more to a logia user than the ability to let attacks pass through? So what if they aren't physically invulnerable anymore, they can still control an element. This gives them a reason to get better at using their powers. Being untouchable doesn't really give you much incentive to get stronger.

Of course we`re assuming haki let`s you hit a logia user and as i said, it becomes a race to reach that logia user.

[Splash!]

Of course we`re assuming haki let`s you hit a logia user and as i said, it becomes a race to reach that logia user.

A 'race' to reach that logia user? You make it sound as if the logia user is completely defenseless if they are not invulnerable, making defeat inevitable.

A logia user, because of the elemental nature of their DF ability, automatically gains a huge advantage in terms of evasion and attack power over their opponent. In my mind, they should still be much stronger than other DF users. To lose inspite of this is pretty pathetic.

Someone that just relies on invulnerability and cannot make good use of the strongest class of DF abilities does not deserve any sort of recognition in the New World.

[Assertn]

Regardless of how Rayleigh was able to injure Kizaru, Kizaru still seemed like a pretty even match.

[tigerleon]

i was just re-watching some episodes to kill time and i noticed something that may have an impact on your talks about Haki . or it may not =.="
Id like to bring attention to Episode 293 5:50
at this point Chopper eats 3 rumbles and as we all know turns into giant rampaging tanuki. He gives out a Large roar which stops kimamori(?) from being able to attack with his hair technique semei kikan~ . This may be a branch of Kings disposition when used in an unconscious state?, where your body's natural instincts kick in.? but i think im just stabbing in the dark.
My apologies its hard for me to explain what im thinking. it would be better if u could peek at that part of the episode. i really believe it could be worth the time.

please discuss

[chambers]

can we please stop mentioning THAT ability when it hasnt even been touched in the anime or even remotley mentioned...? also how can chopper have it... hes a reindeer.

[The Chancellor]

Regardless of how Rayleigh was able to injure Kizaru, Kizaru still seemed like a pretty even match.

He was going easy on him. If he started blasting him with beams and things, old man woulda been going down

[tigerleon]

I don't think just because hes a reindeer, he SHOULD NOT have that ability. i was merely saying maybe his primal instincts kicked in.? seeing as he lost consciousness with a very threatening aura about him.
and my apologies for mentioning " the" ability

[Seki12]

Hi Guys i have been keeping up with the anime for a rly long time and its the best series ever!!! i just found this forum with the Thread of the "Hottest Babe in One Piece" One of the best Threads i ever read with Jad and forgot the other dude xD
Just Join and my first post
Sry i think my introduction to the forum is too long
Well Penner that comment about rocky was so funny i had to reply somehow jajjajja
keep it up with the funny comments :P well i know i reply to late but i had to replay so funny