But the wiki article is against you, look at the first sentence, it remains released AFTER it gets released for the first time. The first time it got released was with the Urahara training thus the sword looking diferent, after that it never got to base state because that is it`s permanent Shikai state.Originally Posted by rockmanj
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The sword didn't change because he entered Shikai. The sword changed because it was his own power, not combined with the power he took from Rukia.
I don't have the time to seek it, but I remember Yoruichi saying he ALWAYS had Shikai on. Not just after he regained his powers.
Anyway. By your logic Ichigo should have easily defeated Nnoitra. After all, Ichigo beated Zaraki. And Zaraki beated Nnoitra. Therefore.... Ichigo... gets almost killed by Nnoitra.
You say Gillians are nothing. And I agree. But does Kubo? Even his golden boy, Hitsugaya, of who you speak highly of because he defeated Luppi, is afraid of the Gillians.
My point NEVER was to say that the chapter was good.
The bitching began because the people here began to compara Ichigo's fight with a Gillian with this fights. Yes, Ichigo was weaker back then. But he didn't kill one in a second. Heck... he didn't even kill it. Could he kill one now? Most likely. But we've never seen him kill one in ONE FREAKING SECOND. That is my bitching. How can we compare a fight of the main character from when he was weak to this ONE SECOND BATTLE?
Sigh...
He still defeated dordoni in a second though
Oh well, at least we agree the episode was bad, that`s all that matters.
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this could have so impressive, 320 chapters ago.
seriously, Gillians might look cool and awesome, but after it's been specifically told that a captain shouldn't have any problem defeating five of them, this battle loses all glory.
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No, the article doesn't. At the bottom, if you note, it says that there are special shikais that are always released, that of Ichigo and Zaraki. Also in that article, it states that a Soul Cutter looks like a normal sword until release. Many people noted how large Ichigo's sword is, and yea, I think Yoruchi said something of the sort.
Yes, yes it does.
I`ll repeat the key words here "once released" as in, AFTER it`s released THEN it stays released.
The last part refers to Kenpachi`s case, the circunstances for Ichigo`s and Kenpachi`s are diferent.
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As much as this post was meant to be facetious, it's probably correct. :\
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/120/07/
I don't know what other evidence you need than this. It is very clearly stated that Ichigo's soul cutter is in constant release, similar to Kenpachi. So, really there's nothing more to it.
She meant the sword in it`s current state... guess what? that one is already shikai, if she said so when he had the white sword that would certainly be proof.
If you can find or point out where in the manga ANYONE states the white sword he had at the begining is Shikai (seriously, anyone, even Don Kanonjin) then i won`t argue any further.
Also, what do you have to say about the "once released" part of the article you bringed yourself?
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I'm only going by the things we know about Soul cutters and Bleach, which are,
1.) That they are almost always normal swords when in an unreleased state (Ichicgo's sword has been huge since he took Rukia's, but I admit there is no proof either way that it is definitely one or the other; however a man-sized sword is not normal).
2.) Ichigo has such high spiritual energy, that it bleeds into his friends, with the added benefit/problem of making his sword huge and uncontrollable, and unable to be sealed).
3.) His soul cutter properties are akin to Kenpachi's, who has a constant shikai (which was described as permanent).
Like I said, there is no way to prove definitively (or not) that the absolutely huge sword he had at first was in shikai or not. Of course we know that after it broke, it changed, but I'm with RZ, saying that the new one represents him using his own powers and also harmonizing with his sword (which was said can increase the power of your sword by itself).
No Uchess is right, Ichigo's dad even says that all captain class shinigami have to control the size of their swords ( note, unreleased ), otherwise they would be swinging swords the size of skyscrapers.
Ichigo is leaking is reiatsu like an open faucet which was the cause for his sword (unreleased) to be much bigger then it should've been. It simply wasn't bigger because he was using Rukia's power.
As soon as it becomes released, the sword takes on a set shape/size. So even though Ichigo still leaks reiatsu, he doesn't have to worry of having a huge fking sword cause it is now always in shikai (set shape/size).
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/197/15/
"captains can destroy them with ease"
I will be beyond shocked if Shinji's attack has ANY effect whatsoever. (other than Aizen completely dominanting him)
I think the whole point of this chapter was just a warm up act. Most people did not know about the existence of these vaizards in the first place at least that is what it seems to me. I mean only Urahara and Isshin had talked about the 'masked warriors'.
And also the way the Vaizards were tearing apart the Gillians is quite impressive too. It was just not the fact that they were dispatching them but more the ease of with which they were dispatching them I think. Either way I thought it was a good chapter. Cant wait to see what happens next.
I'll give shinji props if aizen even draws his sword to block
k heres what i thought about this episode: yea maybe a captain can easily beat them, but now can a captain kill one with his bare hands and feet? how about jump around and kill like 3 within a second with no sword? now if he was using his zanpakuto yea easily. and also heres another thing to think about. its a non moving picture, i bet in the anime once this comes out that scene will be extremely fast like maybe 5-10 seconds of battle, as in extremely fast speeds to kill them, not running around 1 by 1
you're naive.
you really think the anime will waste a complete chapter and turn it into ten seconds of anime?
I'll be surprised if this doesn't turn up as one and a half episodes (I don't watch the anime, so you'll have to tell how it turns out in a year or so, after the anime gets done with the filler crap).
a vaizard masking is a power up beyond the level of Bankai, captains don't take out their bankai to fight against small fries. it was basically shooting poisoned fish in a barrel with a carpet bombing.
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I have noticed Kubo's pacing recently. He has slotted in double pages in every chapter since 352 (excluding the other ones before 352) - particularly from 364 to 366 here. There have been two double pages per chapter in these three chapters containing the Vizards unmasked, masked and charging toward the Gilllians.
i still loved the idea of how shinji just flew to aizen took off his mask and said time to finish this...slash!!!
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