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    Quote Originally Posted by rockmanj
    Like the bleach wiki post said, some shinigami don't need to release their shikai because of their superior spiritual power, such as Ichigo and Zaraki. I don' have time to check the manga, but I'm pretty sure someone explained that to him. It is basically a matter or poor control on his part, like his father said: (Bleach manga; Chapter 187, page 17 - Isshin comments on how captain-level Shinigami must control the size of their zanpakutō.) Its also been said that knowing the name of your sword can increase its power. What you showed was that knowing increased the power of Ichigo's shikai, but didn't turn his shikai on (as its always released).
    But the wiki article is against you, look at the first sentence, it remains released AFTER it gets released for the first time. The first time it got released was with the Urahara training thus the sword looking diferent, after that it never got to base state because that is it`s permanent Shikai state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UChessmaster
    But the wiki article is against you, look at the first sentence, it remains released AFTER it gets released for the first time. The first time it got released was with the Urahara training thus the sword looking diferent, after that it never got to base state because that is it`s permanent Shikai state.

    No, the article doesn't. At the bottom, if you note, it says that there are special shikais that are always released, that of Ichigo and Zaraki. Also in that article, it states that a Soul Cutter looks like a normal sword until release. Many people noted how large Ichigo's sword is, and yea, I think Yoruchi said something of the sort.

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    This is all an illusion, designed by Aizen to test the current battle state of his Espada. Come on people, isn't it obvious?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Chaos
    This is all an illusion, designed by Aizen to test the current battle state of his Espada. Come on people, isn't it obvious?

    /sarcasm
    As much as this post was meant to be facetious, it's probably correct. :\

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    this could have so impressive, 320 chapters ago.

    seriously, Gillians might look cool and awesome, but after it's been specifically told that a captain shouldn't have any problem defeating five of them, this battle loses all glory.

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    http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/120/07/

    I don't know what other evidence you need than this. It is very clearly stated that Ichigo's soul cutter is in constant release, similar to Kenpachi. So, really there's nothing more to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockmanj
    http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/120/07/

    I don't know what other evidence you need than this. It is very clearly stated that Ichigo's soul cutter is in constant release, similar to Kenpachi. So, really there's nothing more to it.
    She meant the sword in it`s current state... guess what? that one is already shikai, if she said so when he had the white sword that would certainly be proof.

    If you can find or point out where in the manga ANYONE states the white sword he had at the begining is Shikai (seriously, anyone, even Don Kanonjin) then i won`t argue any further.

    Also, what do you have to say about the "once released" part of the article you bringed yourself?
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    I'm only going by the things we know about Soul cutters and Bleach, which are,

    1.) That they are almost always normal swords when in an unreleased state (Ichicgo's sword has been huge since he took Rukia's, but I admit there is no proof either way that it is definitely one or the other; however a man-sized sword is not normal).

    2.) Ichigo has such high spiritual energy, that it bleeds into his friends, with the added benefit/problem of making his sword huge and uncontrollable, and unable to be sealed).

    3.) His soul cutter properties are akin to Kenpachi's, who has a constant shikai (which was described as permanent).

    Like I said, there is no way to prove definitively (or not) that the absolutely huge sword he had at first was in shikai or not. Of course we know that after it broke, it changed, but I'm with RZ, saying that the new one represents him using his own powers and also harmonizing with his sword (which was said can increase the power of your sword by itself).

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    No Uchess is right, Ichigo's dad even says that all captain class shinigami have to control the size of their swords ( note, unreleased ), otherwise they would be swinging swords the size of skyscrapers.

    Ichigo is leaking is reiatsu like an open faucet which was the cause for his sword (unreleased) to be much bigger then it should've been. It simply wasn't bigger because he was using Rukia's power.
    As soon as it becomes released, the sword takes on a set shape/size. So even though Ichigo still leaks reiatsu, he doesn't have to worry of having a huge fking sword cause it is now always in shikai (set shape/size).
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    I will be beyond shocked if Shinji's attack has ANY effect whatsoever. (other than Aizen completely dominanting him)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narasho
    I will be beyond shocked if Shinji's attack has ANY effect whatsoever. (other than Aizen completely dominanting him)
    I'll give shinji props if aizen even draws his sword to block

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    I think the whole point of this chapter was just a warm up act. Most people did not know about the existence of these vaizards in the first place at least that is what it seems to me. I mean only Urahara and Isshin had talked about the 'masked warriors'.

    And also the way the Vaizards were tearing apart the Gillians is quite impressive too. It was just not the fact that they were dispatching them but more the ease of with which they were dispatching them I think. Either way I thought it was a good chapter. Cant wait to see what happens next.

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    k heres what i thought about this episode: yea maybe a captain can easily beat them, but now can a captain kill one with his bare hands and feet? how about jump around and kill like 3 within a second with no sword? now if he was using his zanpakuto yea easily. and also heres another thing to think about. its a non moving picture, i bet in the anime once this comes out that scene will be extremely fast like maybe 5-10 seconds of battle, as in extremely fast speeds to kill them, not running around 1 by 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by twister
    and also heres another thing to think about. its a non moving picture, i bet in the anime once this comes out that scene will be extremely fast like maybe 5-10 seconds of battle, as in extremely fast speeds to kill them, not running around 1 by 1
    you're naive.

    you really think the anime will waste a complete chapter and turn it into ten seconds of anime?
    I'll be surprised if this doesn't turn up as one and a half episodes (I don't watch the anime, so you'll have to tell how it turns out in a year or so, after the anime gets done with the filler crap).

    a vaizard masking is a power up beyond the level of Bankai, captains don't take out their bankai to fight against small fries. it was basically shooting poisoned fish in a barrel with a carpet bombing.

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    I have noticed Kubo's pacing recently. He has slotted in double pages in every chapter since 352 (excluding the other ones before 352) - particularly from 364 to 366 here. There have been two double pages per chapter in these three chapters containing the Vizards unmasked, masked and charging toward the Gilllians.

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    i still loved the idea of how shinji just flew to aizen took off his mask and said time to finish this...slash!!!

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