Good catch. That's a very interesting bolt.Originally Posted by Sidnne
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/280/19/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/281/15/
It almost looks like there is one on his right wrist in the second page, when he holds Deidara's arm. (Admittedly, that bold is not so clear)
"After all, I am strangely colored."
Tobi is wearing scaled plate armor in those pics, thats what the bolts showing there are from.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/281/16/
you can see it a little more clearly from the front angle shots on that page. In the middle frame you can see the shoulder armor hanging down over his arms, and in the bottom left frame you can see the hip armor flailed out to the sides when he is on the ground.
Oh, and the one you said looks like a bolt in his wrist is actually Deidara's fingernail :P
Yeah, I think you're right.
"After all, I am strangely colored."
I think the answer is that Danzou is Obito Uchiha from the young Kakashi story. It makes sense. Obito was crushed on his right side. He gave Kakashi his left sharingan. He won't kill Sasuke because they're related. Thoughts?
No It doesn't make sense. Danzo is too old to be Obito, Danzo already gave the go ahead to kill Sasuke and Obito is dead.
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Yeah, that really makes no sense.
At least Danzou = Madara has the strength that they look alike, have similar politics and methods, and similar goals, and similar skills and strengths.
"After all, I am strangely colored."
Obito is as old as Kakashi. Has anyone said how old Danzou is? I still think it's possible. The makers of Naruto has a thing for bringing people back to life. I don't think Danzou is Madara. Way to many people know Madara and Danzou stands around in public from time to time. People would make the connection. No one knows what Obito would look like and being crushed by rocks would definitely age your appearance. I think it would be intriguing. And Obito was the black sheep of the Uchiha so if anyone wants the Uchiha's destroyed it would be him.
Danzou is way older than Obito. Danzou is about the same age as the Third Hokage, who taught Kakashi's teacher's teacher.
If any Uchiha wanted the Uchiha destroyed, it was Madara. He freely participated in their destruction.
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"After all, I am strangely colored."
Danzo is from the Third's generation, he is 72 years old.
Dreaming impossible dreams.
Sapphire is awesome!
Such as?
Similar politics: Destruction of the Uchiha clan. Military domination over diplomacy and economic domination.
Similar methods: All of Roots' methods, including their training. Conniving and backstabbing as a way of life. Working with common warlords for short-term gain. Similarly, stirring up regional conflict for short-term gain. For example, when Danzou worked with Hanzo and discovered Nagato. Kills allies to further own purpose.
Similar goals: Destruction of the Uchiha and Senju, control over Konoha, World Domination.
Similar skills and strengths: Sharingan, masterful control of information and manipulation. Parts of the "methods" section fits here too.
Other similar characteristics: Utterly untrustworthy.
"After all, I am strangely colored."
This isn't really politics, but even if both do/did want the destruction of the Uchiha clan, it seems to be for different reasons.
This was Pein's politics, not Madara's. Nothing has been said about any economic goals regarding Danzou.Military domination over diplomacy and economic domination.
All of what Root's methods? Secrecy? They are ninjas.Similar methods: All of Roots' methods, including their training.
This applies to the entire ninja world.Conniving and backstabbing as a way of life.
Maybe. but you would have to prove that the gains are the same for both. Working with "warlords" and stirring up regional conflict seems as though it could be a common practice in the ninja world. The Leaf and Sand working together could be seen as "working with common warlords for short-term gain" also, couldn't it?Working with common warlords for short-term gain. Similarly, stirring up regional conflict for short-term gain.
Danzou wasn't present when Hanzo fought Nagato.For example, when Danzou worked with Hanzo and discovered Nagato.
Which of their allies has either of them killed so far?Kills allies to further own purpose.
Ok, reasonable enough. But couldn't that mean that are just working together to achieve a common goal?Similar goals: Destruction of the Uchiha and Senju,
Madara never expressed wanting to control Konoha. And he never said anything about world domination; that was also Pein's goal.control over Konoha, World Domination.
Sharingan isn't a skill. If we had seen them use the same techniques, then I'd be more inclined to believe this.Similar skills and strengths: Sharingan,
Again, ninjas. This could apply to nearly ANY of the characters in the manga. And its also a very general statement. Use of information and manipulation doesn't matter, its how its used and to what end that is important, and so far the two have had very different means to this method. Danzou seems to be very quiet about everything, secretive, and simply doesn't let people in on things. Madara is more outspoken and gives information, even if its false, in order to play on people's emotions to get them to react.masterful control of information and manipulation.
They appear as villains... how many villains are trustworthy?Other similar characteristics: Utterly untrustworthy.
I'm not trying to say that everything about this is wrong. I'm just trying to point out that it all seems very general and could be applied to many characters and situations. It shouldn't be used to draw any conclusions just because you may want to believe a theory.
Of course it is. What else would you call a power struggle between the Third Hokage and Danzou over the fate of the Uchiha?This isn't really politics...
Specifically, killing your friend as a training method, like Roots does and the Uchiha did, and the Mist Village did until Zabuza killed all the students one year. Heck, even the Itachi/Sasuke fight was a set up for Sasuke to gain the MS in essentially this way.All of what Root's methods? Secrecy? They are ninjas.
There are others, but they are pretty generic ninja practices. The majority of the non-generic similarities are actually similarities between Danzou's and Madara's leadership.
A warlord is "A military commander exercising civil power in a region, whether in nominal allegiance to the national government or in defiance of it."Maybe. but you would have to prove that the gains are the same for both. Working with "warlords" and stirring up regional conflict seems as though it could be a common practice in the ninja world. The Leaf and Sand working together could be seen as "working with common warlords for short-term gain" also, couldn't it?
I don't see Gaara as a common warlord. Konoha and the Sand seem to give more than just nominal allegiance to their Feudal Lords. Indeed, the Land of Fire's Feudal Lord picks Konoha's leadership. Moreover, Konoha's and the Sand's allegiance to each other seemed to be heading toward long term peace, as it is now.
On the other hand, Danzou has teamed up with Hanzo, the leader of an unaffiliated and poor ninja village in order to gain support to become Hokage. And Madara has teamed up with Pein, Hanzo's replacement. And lots of other unsavory characters. All that said, now that Danzou is in charge, Konoha probably isn't loyal to the Feudal Lord either. Danzou is a warlord, too, where the Third was not.
I was under the impression that Danzou was there, since he's got his sword on in that page below. And Nagato seems to know all about Danzou's role. But you could be right. Perhaps Nagato beat that information out of Hanzo during the second fight. Danzou probably would have worn his Roots ANBU mask anyway, so it doesn't make much sense for Nagato to know about him based on his first fight with Hanzo.Danzou wasn't present when Hanzo fought Nagato.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/446/13/
Danzou was ready to kill off Anko. Danzou killed off the frog. Depending on who you listen to, Madara plucked his brother's eye out (or his brother gave it to him). Madara admitted to killing his friend to gain the MS, and said that he killed his brother.Which of their allies has either of them killed so far?
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/398/18/
Sure, it could.Ok, reasonable enough. But couldn't that mean that are just working together to achieve a common goal?
I have to disagree with you there. Madara definitely expressed interest in controlling Konoha. That's why he fought Hashirama in the first place. The Senju and the Uchiha were supposedly the world's strongest ninja clans, and a victory over the Senju would have meant ninja supremacy. Ninja supremacy is close enough to world domination, especially if you're an invincible immortal.Madara never expressed wanting to control Konoha. And he never said anything about world domination; that was also Pein's goal.
On the other hand, Madara has tried to "destroy Konoha" since he left. But what does that mean? Presumably, it means destroying Konoha's Senju leadership, not the village's buildings or even ninjas. If destroying the buildings was enough, he would have been satisfied by sending Pein to the village. He wouldn't need the bijuu. Heck, if destroying all the NINJAS was enough, he could have just told Pein to blow Konoha up, and not resurrect everybody.
Fair enough.Again, ninjas. This could apply to nearly ANY of the characters in the manga. And its also a very general statement. Use of information and manipulation doesn't matter, its how its used and to what end that is important, and so far the two have had very different means to this method. Danzou seems to be very quiet about everything, secretive, and simply doesn't let people in on things. Madara is more outspoken and gives information, even if its false, in order to play on people's emotions to get them to react.
That is an interesting observation about their different methods. (Quiet versus lying)
Yes, that is fair enough. I am saying that when you combine all these general informations that could in isolation apply to many characters to TWO SPECIFIC characters who happen to look alike and share some pretty specific powers and politics and history, you have a plausible theory. That doesn't mean the theory is right. I know that. There are many plausible theories, and they can't all be right.I'm not trying to say that everything about this is wrong. I'm just trying to point out that it all seems very general and could be applied to many characters and situations. It shouldn't be used to draw any conclusions just because you may want to believe a theory.
"After all, I am strangely colored."
This is only one I have a problem with. Unless betrayed, or defense, I don't think half of the Konoha ninja would back stab murder. Unless it was for the good of the village.
Danzou isn't there during that battle. I'm not sure what you would call that style reflection, but if you picture it animated, it would be a scene where someone's name is mentioned and you see that person's image fade in or out as the teller or listener pictures the person. Thats why that frame has a black background like that and isn't out in the rain like the other frames.
Thats because Konoha is painted as the good guys in the story. But isn't their history full of this? and isn't it what this new generation is trying to change?
But why can't Danzou just be Danzou? Doing his thing.
Cuz Danzou is old, uses a cane when he walks, had his arm injured fighting for title of hokage and ost his right eye. Hence a transplantion was needed and which eye is more suitable then the sharingan?
But Tobi seems to be younger, and has the same hair style as Obito had (when if) he was crushed. Couldn't it be that Zetsu came to devour his body but found Obito alive but severly injured. In someway healed him and that's why Tobi has the mask displaying only his right eye which was not transplanted. Tobi / Obito should be at the same age as Kakashi and from what I've read and seen that is most probable from the movement of Tobi.
It might be a plot twister this. Or perhaps it's just as easy as Obito is dead, Danzou is danzou and Tobi is Madara. Perhaps Tobi / Madara only use the mask as a disguise and therefore have two sharigan eyes / EMS.
Well it's interesting to see what lays within the future of Naruto, exciting indeed. I remember the discussion of Minato being Pain a while back, that wasn't the case, clearly. So lookin forward to getting some answers!!!
Zetsu devours bodies?But why can't Danzou just be Danzou? Doing his thing.
Cuz Danzou is old, uses a cane when he walks, had his arm injured fighting for title of hokage and ost his right eye. Hence a transplantion was needed and which eye is more suitable then the sharingan?
But Tobi seems to be younger, and has the same hair style as Obito had (when if) he was crushed. Couldn't it be that Zetsu came to devour his body but found Obito alive but severly injured. In someway healed him and that's why Tobi has the mask displaying only his right eye which was not transplanted. Tobi / Obito should be at the same age as Kakashi and from what I've read and seen that is most probable from the movement of Tobi.
It might be a plot twister this. Or perhaps it's just as easy as Obito is dead, Danzou is danzou and Tobi is Madara. Perhaps Tobi / Madara only use the mask as a disguise and therefore have two sharigan eyes / EMS.
Well it's interesting to see what lays within the future of Naruto, exciting indeed. I remember the discussion of Minato being Pain a while back, that wasn't the case, clearly. So lookin forward to getting some answers!!!
Oh this old news. He's always sent into areas by either Pein or Tobi where the fight just ended to finish the body of the person who was defeated off.
Ok, in terms of genetic lines. Ideally, if you would like to maintain a Clan of Sharingan users, you would need 3-4 males that are not direct cross of 3-4 generation deep parents.
(to prevent inbred retarded genetic pools)
Firstly, I hope Itachi had a son/daughter somewhere that can actually breed.
Madara needs to have also some offspring to breed.
Plus, Tobi needs to have offspring to breed.
Then we have Sasuke, who probably isnt as motivated to "revive" his clan after his stay with Orochimaru.
Then we need Danzou to be actually a Uchiha clan missing nin's son...due to the fact that he is actually half a Uchiha, it is possible for him to have offspring that has pure Uchiha blood.
Of course all of these is hypothetical, but hey, everyone wants it to be less number of characters. While a geneticist would prefer that more genetic pool is available, considering that if these 5 people are the only surviving Uchiha bloodlines, they would make a fine breeding program for lots of small little Uchiha.
Only bad thing is no known females bloodlines!
So I just want to throw this in, Tobi is FEMALE! Plus, Itachi's offsprings are females.
Perhaps Danzou is just Danzou and plucked a eye out of a dead Uchiha?
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