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    Happy Ending is Happpy.

    It's great how the story has so much integrity. The "difference in viewpoint" theme worked its way through every level, starting from the parents' divorce to seeing ghosts, then finally topping off Araragi X Senjogahara's confession all in one, fluid go.
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    It was nice to see Senjougahara confessing to Araragi, but it was also disheartening to know that the little girl was already dead and was just wandering around for what it seems like an eternity. Well, at least that oddity is cleared up.
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    I'm still abit confused with the snail and lost cow terms =S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by November 11
    I'm still abit confused with the snail and lost cow terms =S.
    "Snail" = "lost cow" phonetically, I believe. The last kanji of "snail" is the same kanji as "cow".

    Araragi didn't "want to go home", and met the criteria to encounter a "lost cow". He is the one who can't find his destination as that is what happens to one who encounters a lost cow, aka snail, and the solution was to just back away from her.

    The girl was lost because she couldn't comprehend the fact that roads have changed over the years. I actually wonder whether or not she saw her home as it was all those years back when they arrived at the empty lot, given how emotional she was.

    That, or she just somehow recognised she was "home".

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    The whole confession scene was so unique. amazing.

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    Did he actually answer her confession or just sort of nod his head in agreement?

    EDIT: NVM, apparently "Senjougahara fascination coming into fashion would be a good thing" was his way of saying he likes her back.... As much as I hate that he panders to her abuse that comment does fit with his way of deflecting her abusive comments.

    In other news, after reading commentary on this episode apparently there were a lot of hints leading up to the mid-episode mystery revelation and I managed to miss all of them because I was trying to pay attention to what was said was mostly ignoring the action and completely ignoring what wasn't being said.

    Realizing this lead me to realize that this show is even more dense than I originally thought after the talk heavy first arc. It seems like everything that is said, everything that happens, and even everything that is not said or does not happen eventually plays a part in the grand tapestry of storytelling that is being woven. One would be deficient in their viewing experience if they were to miss or forget the slightest detail as it seems like they will all end up coming back (e.g Hanekawa being able to see Mayoi will probably turn into an arc). While deep and well connected storytelling is obviously a good thing for the show I feel somewhat put off by the high demand that the storytelling puts on my memory when viewing weekly. I think I'll try and watch arc by arc from now on instead of episode by episode.
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    Araragi doesn't need to worry, Senjougahara fascination will definitely be in fashion, if it isn't already

    The stark contrast between the bold faced lies and straight truth that comes from her statically cold and thorny demeanor makes Senjougahara very interesting. She even sounds arrogant when admitting her insecurities.
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    Yeah, I think Senjougahara fever is sweeping its way through the anime scene with a Mio-like fervor, I dare say she has even replaced dear Mio for many as their top fantasy waifu. Despite my overall dislike for her she still manages to fascinate by virtue of just how much she can surprise me in the course of being irritating.

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    I was never caught up in the Mio thing. Senjougahara, on the other hand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukimura
    Yeah, I think Senjougahara fever is sweeping its way through the anime scene with a Mio-like fervor, I dare say she has even replaced dear Mio for many as their top fantasy waifu. Despite my overall dislike for her she still manages to fascinate by virtue of just how much she can surprise me in the course of being irritating.
    i'd have to disagree. probably on more of a Horo scale than a Mio. definitely.

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    I was never caught up in the Mio thing. Senjougahara, on the other hand...

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    neither was I.. but mugi and yui and ui on the other hand...

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    never heard about mio, horo, mugi, yui or ui, but I still think that Senjoughara is awesome,

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    After thinking about it some more I'm inclined to agree with you Pandadice, I was tunnel visioning on a certain slice of fandom but Senjougahara's appeal is probably not as strong among some of the more pure moe demographics.

    Still, I have been looking to see if anyone has anything bad or even non-praiseworthy to say about her and I continue to come up short.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukimura
    After thinking about it some more I'm inclined to agree with you Pandadice, I was tunnel visioning on a certain slice of fandom but Senjougahara's appeal is probably not as strong among some of the more pure moe demographics.

    Still, I have been looking to see if anyone has anything bad or even non-praiseworthy to say about her and I continue to come up short.
    I too would have a hard time classifying Senjougahara as moe. She's looks too old and too woman like for the title.
    Just watch her ways of moving, her body expressions, the way she dresses and walk. For some reasons, those details ring something into me saying she's more in the woman camp, than in the teenager one. It's only anime, but it seems to work that way for me.

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    Senjougahara's character was built very nicely in this last episode. Or concluded to a degree. How she has been coping with and hiding such a drastic curse that it has made her continuously doubt herself. Who knows what she was like before that but her acidic nature was undoubtly enhanced by it as a defense mechanism. An outer shell. I can't say I'd be her fan like I'm somebody like Rin's fan, but she seems like a pretty solid character.

    I think it was actually almost moving to consider her actions in retrospect after this episode. How nobody before had cared enough to try to help her - or so she said at least, which might be true considering what manner of a personality she had acquired. Surely her infamous stapler attack hadn't been developed for nothing. Yet she was seemingly desperate for a human contact but with impaired means to obtain one.

    With such a twisted personality and situation, who knows how much she feared she would lose Araragi if her confession was turned down. Ironically enough her ways of gathering courage was the stupid game of demanding Araragi to ask for a reward and the even more natural and contradictory way of mocking and insulting him. A really lucky girl to find somebody like Araragi who is, probably, too dense to be insulted...

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    so why don't they just rename this show Senjogahara, and cut out all that junk about vampires and gods and spirits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pandadice
    so why don't they just rename this show Senjogahara, and cut out all that junk about vampires and gods and spirits.
    Why should they do that?

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    because clearly no one cares about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pandadice
    because clearly no one cares about that.
    I'll admit I look forward to seeing Senjogahara every week more than seeing the mystery of the week.

    At the same time however, I also look forward to them explaining exactly what happened during the Spring break that transformed Araragi into a vampire. In fact, it is this very happening that allowed such an encounter between Araragi and Senjogahara.

    Would Araragi be as willing to help people if he wasn't helped by someone before? Would Senjogahara be as attractively insulting had she not met the weight crab?

    Upbringing and experience play a large part in making a character what they are.

    Openly embracing the Senjogahara fascination doesn't mean there's nothing of interest in the show neither. I for one still enjoy seeing each mystery unfold.
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    @Pandadice - I don't get why you are so against people fawning over a character a bit. I believe that the people discussing in this thread have posted in the forums enough to show that even with one (very) good character, we are not the type to watch and praise a bad show. We just find there very little to discuss about the mystery part yet, particularly since very little has been revealed. Just because I like Senjougahara and talk about her does not mean they could get away with crap direction or a pointless plot. They did excellent jobs on both those btw.

    If you would like to start a discussion about something other than Senjougahara, then please do so, I would gladly participate.
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    Yeah I'm going to go one step further and say that to date this show has really been about just Senjougahara, Araragi, and their blossoming relationship. Both of the mysteries have served to reveal things about the background of each character to both the audience and the other character as well as propel the relationship forward. I am now expecting this sort of thing in the future arcs. While ostensibly focusing on some other characters and issues, I think they will all end up revealing more about Senjou or Araragi and expanding their relationship.

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