U took the words right out of my mouth.
I am also tired of reading the term FTW, or full of win, or any variation of it. This win and fail dichotomy isn't even a real one.
U took the words right out of my mouth.
I am also tired of reading the term FTW, or full of win, or any variation of it. This win and fail dichotomy isn't even a real one.
Peace.
In the right context, I really don't mind this. In instant and text messaging I find it quite acceptable.Originally Posted by Kraco
No matter how you look at the amount of letters saved, it is faster, and the effect only compounds when you use it in succession, for example:
"y r u here?" - 11 keystrokes
"Why are you here?" - 16 keystrokes, almost 50% longer
It's even more appropriate for text messaging where you're not only trying to type messages quickly and succinctly, but also accurately, since it's a real bitch to retype misspelt words. Getting one letter right, and fixing it up if it's wrong, is a lot easier than getting a whole word on a phone.
"lol" is used too often, and its meaning is now more or less toned down to simply a chuckle or even a smile, compared to the original "laughing out loud".
I often use it as a space filler while I think of something else to type, or think of what I should be typing instead. It's like in a normal conversation where one person says something, and you simply smile or give a brief laugh while you think of how you should respond. There's simply no substitute in messaging language for that.
"Yeah" is used in a similar fashion too.
What I find inappropriate is how far that's taken. In real life now, rather than actually laughing out loud, people say "LOL". Seriously, the word LOL. What's with that?
Unfortunately, I think I've found myself say it a few times with increasing frequency lately.
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If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
When I was in high school some famous NASCAR driver died, and the next day every redneck was calling him a "hero". He was just a damn race car driver; he didn't cure cancer.
Fucking A. I'm an IT guy and I hear that nonsense all the time. "I'm not computer literate" really means "I'm a grown adult who thinks it's alright to live in the twenty-first century and not know how to use a computer, so I expect you to do it for me".
This reminds me; I'd like to add "fucking A" to the list of overused expressions.
I have to pay five cents for every text I send whether its five characters or eighty-eight characters. I never abbreviate in text messages unless I'm running out of room.
"Samsonlonghair - The Defender of the Oppressed And Shunned!" -Kraco
Well I pay 25c.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
I think we'd be best friends if we ever hung out. Or we'd get sick of each other.
I also get charged 5 cents per text message and I do not abbreviate, ever. I also use correct punctuation in my texts, which is actually a pain since I only have the numerical keypad and not a qwerty keypad so I have to hunt for every letter and symbol.
Another term I dislike: "emails". Email is the same as mail, there is no plural form. Why is it ok to say "emails", but not "mails"? I've started saying "deers" and "foods" just to piss people off who say "emails". Not that big a deal, but I get annoyed with these little exceptions people make because it's computer related.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
so - "so then, i was, like, so angry at her because she was being so bitchy!"
like - GAH
man - "what, man? nah, man. i'm cool, man. thanks, man."
just - "well it's just... it's just that much cheaper to buy just the blue ones..."
right - especially used as "you know?"
'you know what i'm talking about'
other words i think are just overused:
'shocking' or any variation of 'shock'
'legitimate'
'opportunity'
'close'
Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".
Another thing that annoys me is the generous use of the word 'ethnic' for anything that is mostly non-white. It makes no sense, as EVERYONE has an ethnicity. Its just a dumb code word, and I am not sure why that is so popular with people.
This is mostly just me...but I have a habit of using "leverage", "investment", and "context" a lot in sentences that don't even necessarily use those words literally.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
'Get a life' gets used too often, it should'nt even be used at all in my oppinion.
Everytime someone if even the slightest bit better than someone else at something (mostly this is computer/videogame related) they need to "get a life".
Seriously, people should just cut that shit out, its fucking annoying.
Edit: Should'nt instead of should :P
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"Always be yourself... unless you suck."
Because email and mail are not the same?
For example, you don't say "I'm going to send you a mail", though you say "I'm going to send you an email"... in the former you would've simply said, "I'm going to send you a letter by mail" or something along those lines. In the case above, email's usage is closer to that of a letter than of mail.
If email doesn't have a plural form officially, then the rule should be changed because it's completely dumb.
As far as I know, "mail" is considered a mass noun, while "email" is not (while it can be used as one in certain occasions).
No one is taking exceptions because it's computer related in this case. They're two different words, and should be treated as such.
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If I here the phrase "get 'er done" one more time, I'm going on a killing spree.
"Samsonlonghair - The Defender of the Oppressed And Shunned!" -Kraco
The correct form for "e-mail" is with the hyphen, which denotes it's roots as an abbreviation of "electronic-mail", so any usage rules that apply to "mail" apply to "e-mail" as well.
E-mail has evolved, so it's ok these days to say "I'm going to send you an email." Whether that usage is appropriate or not doesn't seem to matter to your average user at this point.
In counter-point to your example, I've rarely ever heard "check your emails." People say "check your email", so it seems they apply the usage rules willy-nilly, at times treating it the same as "mail", and at times treating it like a special computer jargon word with its own rules.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
It's not a matter of it being a computer word, as he already said. It's just that "email" is treated both as a mass and a count noun. So saying both:
"Check your email" and
"He just sent me 4 emails"
is acceptable. This occurs with some other words as well, though usually it has to do with containers. Like "I love beer" and "I had 4 beers last night". Email is just treated as a countable noun, so unless you want to start saying "e-letter", then you'll have to accept that "email" can be pluralized. There is no "correct" way to say it other than what is popularly understood or accepted.
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
This idiot I knew once said something similar and surprisingly insightful. He said "multi-cultural" means "non-white".
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
It doesn't matter wether it's e-mail, electronic-mail, or email... these words are not exclusively mass nouns as the word mail is. The reason being that you can actually count units of e-mail as you would count letters (you can't count mail as units).
Let me put you similar examples. Beer and water are both mass nouns, you would say "I'm going to drink water" or "I'm going to drink beer". But just the same you can say "I want four waters and four beers" because in this case you're reffering to bottles of water/beer, units you can count.
Just the same you can count the number of e-mails and just the same you can use e-mail to mean the collective at the discretion of the speaker.
That's now the accepted use of "e-mail" but at it's root it is an extension of the word "mail" and therefore any rules that apply to mail should apply to its electronic version. Simply because people have misused the word so long, it is now acceptable usage, similar to "aluminum" being a bastardization of "aluminium", or the misuse of the word "moot" to mean "not open to debate", when it's actual meaning is "debatable."
If it's ok to (mis)use e-mail in this fashion, then words like mail, deer, and food can be misused until they become the norm. At the root, it's still incorrect however. I think we should enforce the rules.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
It's not being missused. Just as e-mail takes on the properties of mail... e-mails takes properties of electronic-mail messages, which it's being used as. The usage of e-mails is absolutely correct, and your problems with the word completely in your head.
Do you remember the time when the messages themselves weren't reffered to as e-mail also? Yeah, me neither. E-mails has always been used correctly.
It is not being misused only because the current accepted use allows it to be used that way, same with words like "moot", 'irregardless", and "aluminum". But at it's root it is misuse.
Funny you make the statement "e-mails takes properties of electronic-mail messages" but you don't say "electronic-mails" in that same sentence. Why? Probably because it sounds weird. Yet somehow "emails" is ok.
I'd like to talk about this more, but I'm going to do some e-shoppings for furnitures on the onlines. It's a moot point irregardless.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
You just provided your own counter argument. "electronic-mails" is wrong and "emails" is ok because "email" is no longer (and actually never really was) considered a corruption of "electronic-mail". It's its own word with its own definition and pluralizing rules.
If you can't substitute "electronic mails" for "emails" then it isn't the same type of word. Munsu made a good point in that "emails" has always been the correct way to refer to "electronic mail messages". If it makes you feel any better, just imagine the "s" at the end of emails to stand for the "messages".
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
It's not suddenly accepted. An e-mail message has always been accepted as an e-mail and by extension, e-mail messages have always been accepted as e-mails. Always.
Of course you don't use "electronic-mails messages" same way you don't say "these are practices balls". That's simple grammar.
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