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    I think that would require the victim was dead or otherwise incapacitated already. Nobody's going to sit silent if you come with a hammer and a spike with the intention to kill. I deem the spike was simply driven in with enough strength. The murderer(s) were easily able to relocate several corpses to the garden shed, so strength is not an issue.

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    I really suspect that butler because the blood marking over the couple's door was put on after he ordered Kanon to fetch the old maid. I hope some new evidence shines some light.
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    Regarding the radio, we've only been told it's out, without actually being able to control that fact.

    Regarding Shannon, that would be quite the thing if George was the one killing her... I can't interpret her eye open in deep awe and tears directly, since she was so severly attacked.

    Let's suppose there are multiple murderers, even some using as an opportunity... Asking a girl's hand and killing her in the next hours that way, and then faking sadness and tears... would be something.

    But that's pure speculation.

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    well that was another good episode

    i dunno about Battler's way of investigating though.. "if it's suspicious, then it can't be that". maybe if the culprits were perfect, but you've gotta allow some room for them to goof up..

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    What is good about that method of investigation is that it probes deeper, but does not necessarily rule out the obvious suspects, as Battler proved by bringing up the motive of the remaining aunt (who got killed soon after) when she tried to place the blame on Natsuhi. The obvious suspects are easily seen, so there is no danger of not giving them attention (just look at Battler's reaction when the staff confronted him about the witch). The danger lies in stopping the search with the obvious. His method prevents that.
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    I'd say it's one of the dead people from the first "batch" working with someone who's still alive. One of those six people were simply pretending to be dead.

    The "dead" one is Shannon. Killing her masters is her twisted way of freeing herself from the lowly life of a servant. It's also her way of saying both yes and no to George. The alive one is Kanon. They're both trying to start fresh.

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    More sea kitties lamenting the loss of greedy people (and Shannon):

    [gg] Umineko no Naku Koro ni - 04


    I'm glad Battler bonked Maria on the head a couple of times, she still deserves a little abuse for always laughing when her relatives or parents die.

    Natsuhi continues to be a total badass.

    As for the mystery, I have to admit, I am completely stumped. I don't want to believe that Beatrice is doing it for this iteration of the story (assuming there is more than one), and Maria seems unlikely given her relative size and she is often present with others when the murders occur. I've got nothing.
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    For a good second half of the episode I was convinced Natsushi was one of the culprits. With them bringing up about an illegitimate child, I thought perhaps it was Natsushi. There may be more meaning to the old gramp's words: "You may not be able to wear the one-winged eagle, but you have it engraved into your heart."

    She's the only one "alive" to be around that age too, if we assume the child to be born at around the same time as the rest of the siblings. Gramps did meet Beatrice a long time ago.

    I also can't think of any reason to put down a can of makeral except for the purpose of saying "This letter wasn't there when I did that!" (says she).

    come on, who was hungry after seeing some well-done roast?

    No one else objected to it, but neither did anyone back it up with their own testaments. They simply believed an enraged Natsushi's potentially empty claim. What logically happens when Battler goes "Ahhh!" and runs to a portrait?

    Everyone looks.

    That end bit doesn't rule out Natsushi, but I guess we'll have to consider there may be another killer on the loose.

    Maria-bashing this time was pretty tension-easing.

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    Maria is one twisted child

    The butler has been the most suspicious so far - he has keys, blood markings appear on couple's door after he asked Kanon to fetch cutter, he was within reach to place the witch's letter.

    The only problem is now he is dead

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    man, Maria is twisted in deed. at least he hit her on the head and acknowledged her sick laughing.. but just look in her eyes, there is something up with her..

    i dunno if i liked her Uuu~s over her twistedness.. i don't like either of them. she just freaks me out as a character...

    man, I wanted Conan Edogawa to pop up at the end of this episode .. him or Viktor Burakov

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    Well, this episode destroyed my hopes.

    I'm also glad when Battler decided to pound Maria's head for being so damn weird.
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    Her faces are so great. As for the mystery.. It seems hard to explain it with humans, but the creator has implied that it is possible. On the chain locked room I have no idea at all. Here is the translated introduction to the series:
    http://www.witch-hunt.com/hist.html

    It was written as an introduction to the game, but it contains no spoilers.

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    This episode was basically the answer to everything that seemed to happen, and I caved in into believing it. Still, I want to trust in Battler because his words are strong, that maybe another person carried it out and not just Beatrice herself.

    It was refreshing to see Beatrice chatting with someone familar from the other world.
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    Natsuhi! space T.T


    I like Battler's determination, and his goal of making Beatrice not exist by explaining her powers away. Still, I couldn't ask for a better VA to play a witch. Sayaka Ohara is one of the few who could play this role so well, and I recognized her immediately at the first evil laugh.

    I liked the tea party concept as well, it was an interesting way to review things in these sorts of time-loop series. Perhaps it breaks the flow a bit, but it is a humorous way to do things. Plus we got another look at how large Shannon and Jessica's bre...*cough*

    Of course I loved the references to "that other series" the most. I don't want to spoil any of it, but if you haven't seen the two seasons of it, now would be a most appropriate time.

    Unfortunately, that short little converstation between "Lady Bernkastel" and Beatrice concerning "Lady Lambdadelta" contained a great number of vague-but-telling spoilers to that series. Too late to cover them up now. I still prefer the fully adult Lady Bernkastel to the catgirl version here, but...[damn this is too hard to not make the damage any worse and still comment on how much I liked that scene. I'll just edit this last part out.]
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    I'm surprised Battler didn't try to grab Beatrice's tits when she first appeared.

    I never watched either of the Higurashi series, so that scene confused the shit out of me.

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    It's not too complicated if you've seen up through Higurashi Rei (the OVA series) to hear all of the terms used, but explaning it would contain severe spoilers for Higurashi, effectively ruining the mysteries of that series.

    You'd end up knowing the true identity of the killer in Higurashi (midway through Kai, aka season 2), what role Rika really plays (beginning of the second arc in season 2), the details of the final arc of Higurashi Kai (season 2), and the final scene of Kai and the last serious episode of Higurashi Rei (eps 4).

    I'm obviously reluctant to explain it here, but if you really want to know, send me a PM.

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    I love that series like Higurashi and this begin to bleed out little details that went unmentioned in each repetition.

    We now know why Kanon screamed at Beatrice in the basement. He already knew that she "existed" because Kanon and Shannon have already been primed before that fateful week in October 1986. Or that the shrine was not simply the rope catching aflame due to a lightning strike, but that it was far more than that, and Shannon, bribed by Beatrice's spectre, aided in her return.

    I did a double-take at the OP. I wonder what that means? Higurashi Kai slowly changed its OP as things were revealed.

    I wonder if the murders will play out differently this time or if they will stay the same.

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    No Battler in this episode, eh? I guess that makes sense since we did go back in time to explain Kanon and Shannon's little background with Beatrice. I, too, wonder what murders will happen in this new act.
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