Umineko no Naku Koro ni

[Ryllharu]

I have to say, I like Natsuhi a great deal. While she showed just a little bit of doubt to the old man, she's a strong character, and I'm glad to see she didn't get taken out with the others. She really commanded the scene of the slaughter at the shed. Her hesitation to answer the old man seemed very telling, but what of, it is too soon to say. It would be easy to suspect her now, given she might have a grudge against the family.

What I don't get is why she alone is not allowed to wear the one-winged eagle. They said in the first episode that it was because she married in and was just a "borrowed womb." Which would make sense...except that all the other wives, all the husbands, and even all the servants wear the one-winged eagle.


I did smile at what Maria was watching on television when she didn't tag along with the others. It was Higurashi

[shinta|hikari]

What I don't get is why she alone is not allowed to wear the one-winged eagle. They said in the first episode that it was because she married in and was just a "borrowed womb." Which would make sense...except that all the other wives, all the husbands, and even all the servants wear the one-winged eagle.

...Incest maybe?

[MasterOfMoogles]

Not all of the servants have it, Eva's husband Hideyoshi doesn't have it, and Rudolph's wife Kyrie doesn't have it.

To be specific about the servants, Gohda and Kumasawa do not have the eagle.

You can tell that a lot of stuff was left out from the source material since the intro was so condensed.

[Ryllharu]

Hmm, now that I go back to look at it, the name plates on the intro even have whether or not they have the one-winged eagle, though I still don't get why Shannon and Kanon have it, branch family maybe?

I don't know how I convinced myself of that, maybe just because they made such a big issue of out of Natsuhi, and then I only noticed Shannon and Kanon having it in the second episode.

<--- Feels like an idiot.

[shinta|hikari]

How long will this show run for? Half or Full season length?

[Buffalobiian]

A surprising 26 episodes.

Surprising for me because I thought 13 episodes would be plenty for a mystery case on an isolated island. Perhaps they'll be a change of setting sometime down the track.

[Nadouku]

Hmm... maybe a similar approach to Higurashi? It could just be, like Bill said, a change of setting to a different mystery that could unveil itself.

[Ryllharu]

Hmm... maybe a similar approach to Higurashi? It could just be, like Bill said, a change of setting to a different mystery that could unveil itself.

This occured to me at the beginning of the second episode.

The episode title isn't "episode II" (roman numerals). It's "episode I-II." This makes me think there will be more than one take on how the events play out. Sort of like the movie version of Clue, but not funny. We may get scenarios where Natsuhi is the jealous and angry murderer, venagence for some wrong done to her other family (maybe she's even Beatrice's relative! Cliche but fun.) Later we have one where Maria is acting out her twisted belief that Beatrice exists, and lastly we get one where Beatrice herself is indeed all too real.

While Shannon (Sayo?) died this time, perhaps she and whatshisface will be the lead detectives the next time.

Disclaimer: I have never played the game, nor do I have any intention of doing so until the anime is over. The scenarios listed above are purely from my imagination.

[David75]

I'd go with the "Shannon is thought to be dead" route.
After all, we only get to see her arm, even if I understand some of the reasons for that, it's also very convenient provided you have some complices.

[Buffalobiian]

If the surviving members are smart enough to do a roll-call after this, it'd work around identity stealing fairly easily.

The only thing that would conceal the culprit would be a mask.

[Ryllharu]

Umineko no Naku Koro ni eps 3 [gg]

Natsuhi with the Candlestick in the Study!

[Kraco]

Not too shabby a murderer considering the chain lock of the door. The Grim Reaper needs to get a new whetstone before this is all over. The harvest is so bountiful the scythe will dull in no time.

Battler stays pretty cool and composed for sure. At times it seems he's actually enjoying the chance to try to solve the case. Maria gets weirder and weirder, but at least we don't need to hear ~Uuuuus anymore.

[Buffalobiian]

Why doesn't a single character comment about Maria's complete character change? "I want ice cream", "Where's my rose?" "Uuuuuu" "Beatrice is real, and you're all gonna die!!"

- they obviously noticed it, but no one gives a damn?

The "turn the chessboard around" way of thinking is definitely smart, but when the enemy knows to do the same, you'll end up concluding each other's moves as deceptions and end right back at the starting point.

For example, Battler concludes that the culprit is likely to be an insider since they're making it out to be an outsider. But you can think that they're really making him think that, and in fact it really was an outsider. Think a level deeper, and you're back to an insider.

You basically have to know your opponent's level to know how far they'll go to disguise their tracks. And how far they go to disguise their tracks will depend on how they see your own level.....argh.

[Kraco]

A murderer hiding in a group has to consider the public opinion, the public can spend all their time considering individual's opinions. Besides, if we ignore Beatrice of the story, whose only agenda would be to kill 'em all, then at the moment when they don't really know the killer's specific intention and goal, it's impossible to separate feints from reality. I don't think Battler has yet to realise the killer's simple aim could be to eradicate them all to the last person. From such a point of view it would be quite meaningless to formulate fancy analyses and theories.

[Nadouku]

Maria is one scary little kid and Battler retains his cool and composed form in the light of these events. I wonder if he'll be the key to solving this mystery?

[David75]

So they thought of the radio and people that would come. Nice.
Also, I guess the Shanon isn't really dead route is a dead end now.

The other question is now, why is it so long for the murderer(s) to kill everyone when they seem to be so efficient in killing the first 6, and killing that couple locked in their bedroom?

For some reason, they need people to have fear or something?
I know we need to have a show, so a mass killing in one go wouldn't be fruitful for a story.

This time, face weren't destroyed like first time, eventhough it seems the murderer had time.
I also fail to precisely recognise what was used to kill them both. Thing is, unless the murder had another tool to help, that would need quite a lot of force to go though the skull in the forehead. Because the cone is a tad large, making it more difficult to penetrate a hard part such as a skull. Altough of course I have no experience or precise idea of the force needed to do such things

[animus]

Maria's contorted face is getting on my nerves. I seriously hate little child characters that flip like this.

[shinta|hikari]

A yangire loli? I love 'em.

The lack of the Uuuuuuu~ just serves to bolster that love.

[Kraco]

I also fail to precisely recognise what was used to kill them both. Thing is, unless the murder had another tool to help, that would need quite a lot of force to go though the skull in the forehead. Because the cone is a tad large, making it more difficult to penetrate a hard part such as a skull. Altough of course I have no experience or precise idea of the force needed to do such things

Whatever the tool was here it looked heavy, metallic, pointed, and offering a good grip. You can't really ask for a better instrument to easily pierce the thin bone of a skull. The bone in a human skull isn't that thick at all.

[shinta|hikari]

Maybe they used a hammer, and nailed it into the skull. That would definitely make it easier.