Actually, i think his sense of justice is very much like Aokiji'sOriginally Posted by Splash!
Both seem to be quite ruthless, but not necessarily evil as they were just following orders.
Actually, i think his sense of justice is very much like Aokiji's
Both seem to be quite ruthless, but not necessarily evil as they were just following orders.
I'm with Splash. Kizaru seems laid back like Ao Kiji, but completely cold blooded as well, which Ao Kiji isn't.
He froze one of his best friends in a heartbeat O_o
Isn't that ruthless and cruel too?
Kizaru has not shown the slightest indication of caring for the safety of the people on the archipelago, blowing things up left and right. Aokiji, on the other hand, helped a group of stranded travellers across the sea.
Aokiji was reluctant to needlessly capture a wanted criminal like Luffy because he had no direct orders. Kizaru, however, wouldn't mind rounding up all the bountyheads around him even though the only one he is obligated to capture is Luffy.
Now that I think about it, the animal in their names may be very indicative of the admiral's temperament.
Aokiji - pheasant: Calm and does not resort to violence needlessly
Kizaru - monkey: laid back and mischevious, but quick to anger and get violent
Akainu - dog: my guess is that he probably the most loyal to the cause of the marines, and is completely ruthless to all those denounced by the WG from an innocent child to a dangerous criminal (sort of like a guard dog)
Aokiji has his own sense of justice. Compassion is irrelevant to him. He bases his decisions on what he thinks is right and wrong.
Kizaru is indeed mischievous, doesn't seem to care too much about the damage he causes.
Akainu we kind of know from Robin's flashback. He ordered the ship full of civilians to be blown up. Clearly, he's the most thorough and ruthless of the three.
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I forgot about Aokiji's laziness, which a pheasant would symbolize well, being a fat, slow and clumsy bird. Seems like Oda put quite a bit of thought into his characters.
I don't think Shichibukai take orders from anyone. They are still pirates, only government sanctioned ones to hunt down other pirates (that would make them privateers). Rather than orders it should be more like specific contracts. If they actually took orders, it would indicate they are a solid part of the World government hierarchy, and I deem that would make their role in relation to the artual navy problematic. So, a certain degree of ambiguity is to be expected from them, Kuma included.
Admirals of course are a different matter, and no doubt they already needed to prove their obedience to the ideology and (ruthless) loyalty before they even were made admirals. I doubt you become an admiral simply by eating a powerful fruit and waltzing in. While there could be individual differences there, it would be surprising if they all weren't 100% supportive of the World government's absolute rule.
I can't recall the Straw Hats ever having their asses handed to them quite like this before. This has been a beating of a new level.
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when I say it's a schpadoinkle day
Yeah just goes to show that the Strawhats is nowhere near the level of the more famous pirates like Roger, and probably Whitebeard & Shanks, or the Navy Admirals, because they said Rayleigh was like what, like 100times stronger than Luffy, and from the looks of it Admiral Kizaru can fight somewhat evenly with him.
Though i don't think Kizaru or Rayleigh is going 100% yet and Rayleigh could probably defeat Kizaru, or maybe hes lost some strength from his old age, who knows.. but Kizaru didnt seem to be the least bit afraid or concerned about him, just that he was 'in his way'.
Kizaru could probably take out the entire Strawhat crew very fast if he really wanted to even if they were all at full strength, only thing keeping them alive right now is Rayleigh ;P
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tbh its almost alarming how strong the admirals are. With aokiji i always kinda thought that he wasnt that strong but his ability allowed him to kinda dominate anything that got near him... kizaru seems like a beast in terms of power however. Going from beating crocodile and enel to beating rob lucci was a huge step up imho, and these admirals seem to be living in a world of there own almost, i would hate to see how powerful the 4 emps are if they can stand up to the might of 3 combined admirals.... they must be complete monsters. Really hard to see how the strawhat crew can close the gap, in the case of luffy zoro and sanji its clear that they can simply become stronger and perhaps learn a new technique or 2, but the likes of franky ussop and nami..... will these guys be relegated in a similar fashion DBZ characters were?
I haven't seen anything from Aokiji or Kizaru yet that leads me to believe that they're any more powerful than Enel. In fact, Kizaru and Enel's powers are pretty much identical. Just Luffy isn't gonna be immune to Kizaru.
I'm sure they are more powerful for some reason, but so far, all their badassness seems to stem from them being Logia.
Mantra + Logia dude
Luffy was his natural enemy and even he had a tough time beating him, so i'd nay that enel is either as or even more powerful than the admirals
I've mentioned this before, but Oda stated that if he were to give Enel a bounty it would have been something of about 500.000.000 belli
well you have to take into account the actual power they posess as compared with the physical threat they pose....
from what we have seen so far kizaru should be the strongest of all physically speaking since he can presumably move at the speed of light... compare that to enel whos power is ligtening and specifically electricity... for a world who is coming into a modern era of science and such a man who effectivley can control ALL of this is a ery powerful foe indeed.... i have said it before its like magneto... physically hes weak but his power is to abuse the powers of man, same as enels was. IMHO thats why enel would have had such a high bounty... aokiji and kizaru would have wiped the floor with him and perhaps even someone like crocodile and moria would have also.
I'm pretty sure any fight between Enel and another (non-dark) logia user would've ended in stalemate, just as Smoker and Ace's fight did.
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On one hand yes, but I think in the case of Enel and Kizaru, instantaneous movement counts for a lot as well.
well as much as i dont like to talk about fights that will more than likely never happen BUT, we also have to remeber a great deal of enels strengths came from his mantra letting him predict the movements of others.... can this be done with a guy who moves at such a high speed? Well no, because luffy at some points as already beating his mantra in terms of speed, add to the fact that im pretty sure all the admirals will be as experienced as silvers at fighting logia users and will be able to hit them just like silvers did......... there is a high chance enel has never encountered anyone as strong as himself.
Where on Earth did this come from? Nothing I saw during these eps suggested anything like that. If Kizaru wasn't overly amazed Silvers could fight him, it's more likely due to the fact Silvers in a rather legendary character, and so it's not out of the question to expect great many things from him. That, however, is a long stretch from saying Kizaru, who looks like a typical logia user only relying on his fruit powers, would know any fancy tricks to fight other logia users.
The speed differences here play limited role for the simple reason that those people's brains still seem to operate at normal human speed, not at the speed of light or electricity (the human brain relies as much on chemical substances as electricity as well, making Enel no exception). So, it doesn't matter if you can move at the speed of light once you have decided to do it if making that decision takes just as long as for anybody else.
Speed of light and mantra are still irrelevant in such a fight. One of them could attack the other one in their sleep and nothing would happen. Lightning is not vulnerable to light, and light is not vulnerable to lightning.
Edit: Lol, I can't really counter-argue a point made via rep, especially over manga content, since I can neither post here nor in PM. However, a fight between two paramecia types is a little more up in the air than two logia types. Plus, don't forget that *spoiler stuff etc etc*
Basic rule of thumb: With logia, it's considered immune unless proven otherwise. With paramecia, it's considered vulnerable unless proven otherwise.
Last edited by Assertn; Mon, 06-15-2009 at 03:07 PM.
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Wouldn't that be true with zoan's as well then? I'm sure a gazelle fruit would be no match for Lucci unless he was the fastest zoan alive.
Not necessarily. If some regular joe ate a lion fruit, I'm sure Kaku could still kick his ass.
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