How was the the destruction of the village partially Tsunade's fault? Wth kind of shit is that!? That old bitch needs to die!
And the one thing hinting at a connection between Tobi and Danzou is that Tobi said "I've got something to do" and then boom, the meeting! Besides that, I'm hoping that they are different people, or working together!
I agree. He should have at least rushed to her and made sure she was ok.Originally Posted by Stitch
I just cant see Danzou or Madara needing to have that much of a presence. So you are telling me that he needs to be the Hokage AND the secret leader of the Akatsuki to get his way? I think that one or another is powerful enough. Not to mention, why would Danzou call for the destruction of the Uchiha clan if he was Madara?
assertnfailure (7:40:03 PM): dude....your posts are a bunch of nonsense
Because the Uchihas betrayed him, so he wanted to get revenge on them as well.
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heh, so much for an exciting coup take-over.. he just yelled a lot and got his way..
i Liked how they tied Iruka into it, showing his memories of when Naruto was just the out-cast of the village.
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akatsuki's lost two more members, so how many do they have left? they lost daidara, hidan, kakuzu, itachi, pain and konan? and what, they started with 9? (well, i didn't count the puppet guy, but I'm pretty sure they replaced him awhile ago)
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The remaining Akatsuki members are Madara, Zetsu and Kisame.
Btw since you guys are tying Madara saying "I have another matter to attend to" into the whole Tobi is Madara is Danzo thing. The first thing that came to my mind when he said that is Sasuke. Last chapter Sasuke announced that he and his little hawk group were heading to Konoha and regardless of what Madara's real goal is, we know it hinges on Sasuke. So I'm pretty sure that is what he was referring to.
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The village was most likely too chaotic to call for Danzou - especially if Tsunade was already on patrol. I am quite doubtful that anyone would stop to ponder the whereabouts of Danzou while evacuating civilians, fighting the Pain bodies and fleeing for their lives have more prioritization.Other than that, doesn't anybody remember that while the village was under attack, and other people were sacrificing their lives, Danzo hid in a hole. don't they remember that?
ANBU is directed under the Hokage and it does make sense for a representative to be there to hear who they are going to serve.I wonder how high ranking Shikato is to be there with the three elders. Why not someone like Hiashi? And on the matter... why was there an ANBU sitting among them?
While the temporary regent does sound more practical than appointing Hokage, it just seems that there is someone readily available to take the job who fits the specifications and requirements of being Hokage (as Death BOO Z has said). Danzou has been the leader of Roots and/or ANBU, he has a seat on the Council, is elderly mature and is presumably strong (though, we have not seen the extent to this). Truly, there is no better candidate than Danzou at this point in time. Because really, on the Naruto-universe stage, a village without a Kage is likely to be susceptible to attacks (especially during an anarchic period with Akatsuki posing a threat). You really cannot trust other villages to keep their promises and not betray Konoha for their own benefit.The leaders of the country sure didn't give it alot of thought about choosing a successor. Or ad groundrules that when Tsunade wakens from her coma that she'd be reinstated again instead of making Danzou the 6th. They should have just made him temporary regent.
The Hokage is the figurehead of Konoha and the Fire Country. If there's an attack on the village, it is the Hokage's duty to defend the village from intruders (see Gaara and Deidara). Because she could not eliminate Pain quickly enough to prevent damage to the village (people died...but later were subsequently revived), she becomes a prominent scapegoat. For example, when the general populace typically blames someone for the American's presence in Iraq, fingers start pointing to former US President George W. Bush, not at the other lesser-known and influential people behind that might have caused it.How was the the destruction of the village partially Tsunade's fault? Wth kind of shit is that!? That old bitch needs to die!
Sadly, that is what I think will happen as well.I sense a Sasuke/Naruto team up in the end to destroy this 'new' Konoha being formed and rescuing it to make the old one. Danzou will no doubt be revealed to the driving force behind the Uchiha's destruction, which will get Sasuke on board. And Naruto just needs an excuse to fight alongside Sasuke and not against him.
Last edited by enkoujin; Fri, 06-05-2009 at 03:10 PM.
Don't forget that he is also apparently the mizukage.
Danzou = Madara? Really? Obito = Tobi was more convencing. Why would Danzou send Anbu to kill Sasuke only to recue him after the fight with Itachi. And if Madara is Danzou. wouldn't Sasuke be a major threat to his plans in Konoha. Let's not forget that Madara HATES Konoha. Why would he want to rule them when it clear he's been intent on destroying them?
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I'm thinking Danzou will ask of Sasuke and his merry band to help sync with Gedo Mazou. He did mention that they need a few pawns to possibly control the summon.
And Danzou can't be Madara. During his brainwashing Sasuke, didn't he say that Danzou used Itachi to kill the Uchiha clan. So why would he send Sasuke to kill Danzou if they are the same person.
This is what will happen.
Sasuke explains to Naruto why he is now against Konoha. Naruto tries to tell Sasuke it was the past. Sasuke spits in Naruto's face and they fight. Naruto wins ths time. Then Naruto asks Danzou or whoever was in charge of the Uchiha stuff why they did it. Then they give the usual BS blah blah blah. Then Naruto gives a speech and it changes their views of things and it ends just like how Pain ended.
The end.
Though this arc might be better.
With payne gone, shouldn't the giant statue disappear as well?
you know what, I can accept the statue staying ("alive"?, who knows), but we really need an akatsuki explanation. the entire 'destroy people to bring peace' was valid as long as payne was in control, now that he's dead, it seems pointless for them to keep gathering stupid animals for the statue.
If madara was really in control the whole time, then he wouldn't have needed the statue to crush the leaf (seeing as how Payne himself was enough for that, so Payne and another akatsuki member would probably be able to destroy the village in two hours). but now that Payne is gone, Madare keeps enforcing the statue, implying he can control it. I find it hard to believe that Payne was being played all the time and didn't notice that someone else was messing with his junk (the giant came out his body, he has to know those kind of stuff).
which leads to the question of leadership in akatsuki, It's practically impossible that Payne worked under Madare, and if they were simply collaborating, I'd assume Qunan would know a bit more about his plans.
screw this, I'm still waiting for Naruto Kisame tag team.
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Yeah, I thought Pein's statue creature would disappear too.
I don't understand why they made Danzou Hokage either. It doesn't make sense. He's the same age as the Third Hokage, who was already too old for the job years ago. It would have made a lot more sense for him to present a Roots ANBU Jounin to make Hokage.
"Akatsuki" doesn't really exist as an organization now that Pein and Konan are gone. They're more like the Water Villages' super secret Roots ANBU now that they don't have an international agenda.
I fear there is yet another Sharingan mega-hax, and that Madara took up the role of Danzou to piss Sasuke off enough to make it work. I mean, if the emotion of killing your friend can make the MS come out, imagine what kind of Sharingan you get if you destroy your village.
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That's totally different. That's a war against a country, in the case of the US and Iraq. This is a case of terrorism, Pain vs. Konoha. How is it her fault at all that she couldn't stop him right away? He snuck into the village and had 6 different bodies. So if 6 people manage to sneak into your house, and manage to destroy it, and you're the head of household, it's your fault for not taking them all out? Hardly.The Hokage is the figurehead of Konoha and the Fire Country. If there's an attack on the village, it is the Hokage's duty to defend the village from intruders (see Gaara and Deidara). Because she could not eliminate Pain quickly enough to prevent damage to the village (people died...but later were subsequently revived), she becomes a prominent scapegoat. For example, when the general populace typically blames someone for the American's presence in Iraq, fingers start pointing to former US President George W. Bush, not at the other lesser-known and influential people behind that might have caused it.
I don't see a substantive difference between war and terrorism in this context... it's all military action when it comes down to it, even if the terrorist's military is just a militia.
Case in point: the 9 Akatsuki were a small, but extremely strong army.
But this is more-or-less irrelevant. What FireEmblem said regarding the "6 people" was spot on.
On the other hand, blaming Jiraiya for training Pein is absurd, especially since Nagato was relatively willing to leave Konoha alone before Danzou and Hanzo joined up. (In a move that betrayed Konoha by helping Hanzo consolidate his power.) If anything, Konoha should have supported the early Akatsuki.
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Okay, my bad, that was a really bad example (because you went off-topic with war and terrorism for some vague reason), but let me repeat - the Hokage is [generally] supposed to be the strongest in the village, not to mention the figurehead as well. I mean, you were chosen to become Hokage so you can perpetually continue the "will of the fire" - or rather, live to see the day where you pass the torch to the younger generations. That typically means you have to protect them from harm.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/419/04/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/420/20/
Not only did Nagato's corpses become detected the second he enter the Konoha premises, Tsunade was anticipating his attack ever since Fukasaku came back to tell Konoha what had happened to Jiraiya. What was Tsunade doing when their buildings came under fire?
Take the time to look into the window and have an inner monologue saying:
And with this:So, he's finally here...
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/421/06/
Arguing with your advisers when Pain is in the village slaughtering everything.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/406/03/
In the above link, Fukasaku says:
From the minute he said that, I thought it was a red alert to say that they have to prepare for Pain's attack...He left the rest up to you.
While your "six-man-breaking-into-my-house" analogy is good, it wouldn't make too much sense here because the average family father is not muscular nor is he strong enough to defeat six different people all at once. In this case, we have the strong Hokage who commands an entire village (rather, the military) at his/her word. I think it would make more sense if you talked about a mansion and the bodyguard though.
Lastly, I was just using that US-Iraq analogy to put emphasis on how people typically tend to blame the leader of a country for such consequences that befall on a country. I apologize if you misunderstood.
Last edited by enkoujin; Fri, 06-05-2009 at 08:38 PM.
It still isn't her fault. Sorry. =\
Donzou ordered Itachi to slaughter the entire Uchiha clan. That means that Sasuke was never meant to be alive in the first place. Remember Itachi killed the whole clan, and his mangekyou sharingan didn't get any stronger from it. If there a new sharingan hax, it does not come from something like that.
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And who did we/Sasuke learn that from? Since Madara was the one telling the story couldn't it be so that he lied to manipulate Sasuke? Whether he is Danzou or not you still have to keep in mind that Madara could have bent the truth or even just pulled most of it from his ass.
I must say i was a big skeptic of the Madara=Danzou-theory that some of you came up with but i must say that it has gained bigger and more valid clues. But i'm not aboard that theory yet. I still think Danzou is just Danzou. But i'm no longer able to say that without feeling doubts unlike before.
The one thing about Madara's story that we know is false is the part about him attacking the village with the Ninetails. After seeing Minato again we see that it really was Madara 100%, however Madara claimed that it was a "natural disaster" or something when he told Sasuke. Aside from that we don't really know what's real or fake. Though judging from Danzou's shady activity and the dicksucking he receives from the other 2 advisors, I wouldn't doubt if Madara is telling the truth about that part!
Madara sent pain to get the 9 tails, Hanzo killed that frog so that Naruto wouldn`t come back and thus pain can`t get the 9 tails. /end argument
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