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    Quote Originally Posted by Assertn
    Thank god for one piece
    I should have posted this b4 -_-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Assertn
    Thank god for one piece
    If Oda ever pulls a miraculous revivification like that, I'll stop reading.

    Heh.
    "After all, I am strangely colored."

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    Quote Originally Posted by poopdeville
    If Oda ever pulls a miraculous revivification like that, I'll stop reading.

    Heh.
    Even if we did we'd all think that it was awesome because we're all Oda fanboys

    Admit it, you'll feel better afterwards

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    Just as I expected.

    The end of Akatsuki, based on what has happened, we could foresee. Madara making his move with the remaining Akatsuki members. It was also strange that when Itachi died, there was no commentary about it within Akatsuki as a whole. Which could mean that Madara was clearly hiding things from Pain or there just never was any time to inform Pain of it.

    I don't think the series will end till another big war starts. Can't wait to see how that unfolds! And come on, it had to be obvious from the start that these characters wouldn't remain dead. Kakashi "died" for Chouji and his shitty father, and Shizune got randomly owned out of nowhere. Fukasaku got owned randomly too. It seemed obvious to me anyway that most of the characters wouldn't remain dead.

    Then again I'm probably in the minority when I say that it was good that characters didn't die during the Sasuke chase arc. All of Naruto's comrades are the "next generation", a term which has been pushed by the adult ninjas for a long time now. It's obvious that it wasn't their time to go at that time, nor is it now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel
    Even if we did we'd all think that it was awesome because we're all Oda fanboys

    Admit it, you'll feel better afterwards
    No One Piece. Get back on topic.
    Last edited by Munsu; Fri, 05-29-2009 at 07:25 PM.
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    The only reason why I even like this, is that Kakashi is still alive. This was pretty much "Haha, just kidding." bs again.

    With Konoha back to normal, one could think what if the Pain arc never happened? It would be the same thing except Jiraiya would probably still be alive.

    Quite lame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idealistic
    The only reason why I even like this, is that Kakashi is still alive. This was pretty much "Haha, just kidding." bs again.

    With Konoha back to normal, one could think what if the Pain arc never happened? It would be the same thing except Jiraiya would probably still be alive.

    Quite lame.
    Konoha is not back to normal. The village is destroyed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poopdeville
    If Oda ever pulls a miraculous revivification like that, I'll stop reading.

    Heh.
    If there were ever a right way to do that, it would be Oda who figures it out. He can do no wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Board of Command
    Konoha is not back to normal. The village is destroyed.
    Yh, because that had such a huge effect when Orochimaru did it ...

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    How come pain didnt managed to res his parents...or yahiko... or the stupid dog? >>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberbaka
    Aaaaaaaaaaaaaannnd bullshit.

    Ok, so he has control over life and death... Never occurred to him to revive his friend? No? Not at all?
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/430/13/ it looks like that revival move is what he uses to revive the puppets as well, but if they have been dead a while it looks like he can't do anything besides control them like puppets. That's why this guy didn't turn back into a human when he was revived. It's possible he didn't know how to revive at that time, too, otherwise he would have showed up as 6 people to face Hanzo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Board of Command
    Konoha is not back to normal. The village is destroyed.
    They'll just get Yamato to give them wooden mansions in the meantime while they rebuild.
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    Lol actually yamato means a endless supply of wood for the buildings

    The dude is pretty handy during village holocausts

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    When they ended the last chapter with Naruto being cheered on, I started saying to myself, "No deus ex machina", "No deus ex machina", "No deus ex machina", "No deus ex machina".
    Now I quote Archangel.

    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel
    GOD FUCKING DAMMIT !!!!!!!!!

    ... that is all -_-
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    Quote Originally Posted by poopdeville
    If Oda ever pulls a miraculous revivification like that, I'll stop reading.

    Heh.
    yeah... because people die in one piece... (extreme sarcasim)

    once again we forget this: "The basis of shonen manga is happy endings." - watsuki nobuhiro

    and just like how watsuki got trashed for "reviving" kaoru in rurouni kenshin we bash kishimoto for reviving the dead. we see characters come back from the dead and we assume thats trash, but real trash is when they retcon a situation. for instance (for x-men readers, if they exist on this site) magneto really being xorn's twin brother pretending to be xorn pretending to be magneto in order to revive both characters. we are all failing to see things in the context of the characters and the impact it has on them.

    if chouji and neji would have died way back in the rescue sasuke story shikamaru would have really quit being a ninja. There would have been no realistic reason for someone like him to continue after the loss of his best friend, and it helped forge him into a stronger character.

    if nagato would have not revived all of those he killed he would have never had a moment were he redeems himself. That would make it harder for the reader to empathize with him, even after his sob story. By having nagato entrust naruto after both changing his view and himself, the ending of this arc is stronger.

    i had read a ton of stories, and the best ones are the ones that use death as an impactful tool for the characters. ask yourself, what does the death shizune really mean? the answer: nothing. And can kakashi's death really make as much of an impact to the naruto as jiraiya's? the answer: no.

    edit: the only unfortunate result of this is that nagato, who years ago we assumed was the end all villain of the story, was used as a tool to prepare naruto for the mind set he will have when he confronts sasuke again. oh well... im looking forward to the next arc. i want danzou to pay for all the atrocities he committed. this may seem odd... ... but im starting to think he will be the final villain instead of madara.
    Last edited by RasenDori; Sat, 05-30-2009 at 01:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Death BOO Z
    there are a lot of possible arguments, most of them make almost no sense. but that's how it goes. he didn't. it's a big ninja-elephant in the room, so we're all going to walk around it.


    In Soviet Russia, ninja elephant walks around you!

    Sorry... *bows head and walks away*

    Back on topic:

    With only Kisame (he'll be taken down by Suigetsu(was that waterboys name?) and plantman (I don't really predict anyone killing him for any reason tbh...) left, do they even have enough people to capture more of the tails? They needed like a full crew standing on the fingers sacrificing chakra.

    I'm just too bummed out about Konoha to be excited about future chapters now, are we going to have to go through several chapters of rebuilding and friendly banter among the wounded before Sasuke comes there to kill Shizune again? Oh I know! We haven't seen Kakashi lying in a hospital bed for quite a few chapters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RasenDori
    yeah... because people die in one piece... (extreme sarcasim)
    Uhmmmm they do... i won`t spoil though.

    Quote Originally Posted by RasenDori
    once again we forget this: "The basis of shonen manga is happy endings." - watsuki nobuhiro
    Claymore

    Quote Originally Posted by RasenDori
    and just like how watsuki got trashed for "reviving" kaoru in rurouni kenshin we bash kishimoto for reviving the dead. we see characters come back from the dead and we assume thats trash, but real trash is when they retcon a situation. for instance (for x-men readers, if they exist on this site) magneto really being xorn's twin brother pretending to be xorn pretending to be magneto in order to revive both characters. we are all failing to see things in the context of the characters and the impact it has on them.
    He will retcon, remember the dead relatives and friends nagato had yet didnt res whith his technique it`s either a plot hole or it will be retconed, you`ll see.

    Quote Originally Posted by RasenDori
    if chouji and neji would have died way back in the rescue sasuke story shikamaru would have really quit being a ninja. There would have been no realistic reason for someone like him to continue after the loss of his best friend, and it helped forge him into a stronger character.
    Asuma`s dead didn`t made Shika quit, there really is no way to confirm if he would`ve quit or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by RasenDori
    if nagato would have not revived all of those he killed he would have never had a moment were he redeems himself. That would make it harder for the reader to empathize with him, even after his sob story. By having nagato entrust naruto after both changing his view and himself, the ending of this arc is stronger.
    Must EVERY villian in Naruto be redeemed? zabuza... haku... gaara... itachi... sasori.. orochimaru, the only villians that didnt got redeemed (zombie pairs) maintained their badass factor after losing.

    Quote Originally Posted by RasenDori
    i had read a ton of stories, and the best ones are the ones that use death as an impactful tool for the characters. ask yourself, what does the death shizune really mean? the answer: nothing. And can kakashi's death really make as much of an impact to the naruto as jiraiya's? the answer: no.
    A character killed just for shock value only to be revided 5 chapters after is just cheap storytelling.

    I ususally dont post just to bash an episode but i`m sorry sir, this episode was just BAD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UChessmaster
    Must EVERY villian in Naruto be redeemed? zabuza... haku... gaara... itachi... sasori.. orochimaru, the only villians that didnt got redeemed (zombie pairs) maintained their badass factor after losing.
    I've been thinking about that too. Kishi's annoying habit to humanize every single villain is getting tiresome.

    The zombie brothers were a nice exception actually

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