Naruto Chapter 447

[Archangel]

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Edit to below: Sorry about that

[Rikudo]

FYI, your link goes directly to page 17.

Kind of an "eh" chapter for me. I wonder if pain can still go back to his normal form if he removes the rods from his body.

[Sam98034]

"How would you face this hatred in order to build peace?"
"I will believe in what Jiraiya believed in, so I won't kill you"

He overcame hate with love, then?

So does this mean that Nagato had those things in his back every since that day? That thing also looks exactly like the thing that inhales the tailed beasts. I guess it sucks out life.

[Death BOO Z]

I really like how Payne speaks, but the entire battle thing makes him like a complete tool (negative meaning). We were all supposed to think that Payne is so awesome because he killed Hanzo, but in the end, it was the rinngan that killed Hanzo, and payne's ability had nothing to do with it.
he's another gaara\kimimaru\zombie-duo\Sasuke\Itachi\sound-four clone. he was born with an amazing power, and this power dictates the entire course of his life. he's a loser.

also, we were led to believe that Payne uprising and taking over the rain country (killing Hanzo and all) were somewhat recent happenings (Jiraya didn't know about it) but now we see that it has happened many years ago, even before the creation of the current Akatsuki (most likely, even before Itachi went postal), and that leaves quite a time gap.


on a different notice, I hope that the ultimate weapon will evolve into the moon that Payne ancestor supposedly created, if it's true, we could bust out the "that's not moon! that's a death star!" joke again,
and we never get tired of that one.

[poopdeville]

I really like how Payne speaks, but the entire battle thing makes him like a complete tool (negative meaning). We were all supposed to think that Payne is so awesome because he killed Hanzo, but in the end, it was the rinngan that killed Hanzo, and payne's ability had nothing to do with it.
he's another gaara\kimimaru\zombie-duo\Sasuke\Itachi\sound-four clone. he was born with an amazing power, and this power dictates the entire course of his life. he's a loser.

also, we were led to believe that Payne uprising and taking over the rain country (killing Hanzo and all) were somewhat recent happenings (Jiraya didn't know about it) but now we see that it has happened many years ago, even before the creation of the current Akatsuki (most likely, even before Itachi went postal), and that leaves quite a time gap.

I agree. It was especially stupid to kill his own friend and THEN attack Hanzo.

But Hanzo didn't die this chapter, as far as I can tell. "Shunshin no Jutsu" is the "body flicker" jutsu. Hanzo "teleported" away before the weird statue summon touched him.

[Archangel]

I agree. It was especially stupid to kill his own friend and THEN attack Hanzo.

Before watching his friend die right in front of him he did not yet have the power to go up against hanzo

All that shit he pulled off came from his rage, just like the previous 2 times he was attacked

[poopdeville]

Before watching his friend die right in front of him he did not yet have the power to go up against hanzo

All that shit he pulled off came from his rage, just like the previous 2 times he was attacked

I disagree. I do like your reading better, but if that is what Kishimoto intended, he didn't do such a good job. In particular, Nagato obviously knew how to summon the statue before this incident -- both he and Konan knew about it. He even knew its name. And the statue was the move that turned the tide here.

Only the vector-arrow jutsu could potentially be a rage move he later mastered.

[Patriot]

That final jutsu that Hanzo used looked like it allowed him to escape,

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...7/page012.html

and then we see the all to familiar smoke the next page over. To say that he killed him at that time would be an overstatement in the world of Naruto. The question is, does Pain think he killed him at that time? Or was there a battle afterwards that we get to know of. Hence why Pain says, "I lost many more friends in battle after that.."

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...7/page014.html

[Sidnne]

Well, that went pretty much how we have all been expecting it to go. We knew that Naruto wasn't going to kill Nagato, because he hasn't directly killed anyone yet and likely never will. (that is to say he hasn't delivered the finishing blow).

In all likelihood, Nagato will still die here, just not by Naruto's hand.

As far as the answer... I was hoping for a better answer, but got the one I expected. "I will believe in what he believed in" isn't really an answer at all, as the question was basically "how will you accomplish what Jiraiya preached?" "By preaching the same thing" doesn't really solve anything.

[Hinata<3Naruto]

Honestly while I enjoy Pein's character I really wish they wouldn't do 4-6 manga issues purely of the past. I know Naruto is famous for its flashbacks but good lord nothing has actually happened in the last month plus worth of episodes.

The naruto pein fight was rocking. The sasuke vs insert name of character here stuff was alright but he had one too many i.m.o.

I hope Kishi gets back to the village for 1-2 episodes and then goes back to Madara and Sasuke.

[12345p]

Well, that went pretty much how we have all been expecting it to go.

Yes. Quite.

In all likelihood, Nagato will still die here, just not by Naruto's hand.

That I'm not so sure about. Naruto is just as likely to turn around and tell everyone not to touch him. Many Kohona nins likely won't harm Payne because so many of the good? Kohona nins have trust and respect in Naruto and his decisions.

.. as the question was basically "how will you accomplish what Jiraiya preached?" "By preaching the same thing" doesn't really solve anything.

It's one thing to preach, but quite another to put into practice. By not continuing the chain of hatred, the question isn't what Naruto is going to do, but what is Payne going to do?

[Sidnne]

That I'm not so sure about. Naruto is just as likely to turn around and tell everyone not to touch him. Many Kohona nins likely won't harm Payne because so many of the good? Kohona nins have trust and respect in Naruto and his decisions.

Who said anything about other Konoha nins attacking him? Nagato is spitting up blood, used most of his chakra, and appears to be at the end of his ropes. I was more expecting him to die from completely exhausting himself, not from an attack.

There are two scenarios in which I can see this happening. The first being, Nagato accepts Naruto's answer and "passes the torch" to him, so to speak. Then dies.
The second, Nagato refuses to accept Naruto's answer and insists that pain is still the only way and launches a final attack at Naruto, using up the rest of his chakra. Then dies.

[Abdula]

PD I think the thing you're neglecting is Nagato's personality. Nagato seems to have had a very weak, timid personality and before now was only able to bring out his real power when he was really emotional and/or his life was in danger, not unlike someone else we know.

And why he didn't do anything before is pretty simple. Shock. They weren't expecting Konan to be taken hostage and after seeing this I'm pretty sure he and Yahiko could have fought their way out but Yahiko elected to kill himself, by impaling himself on Nagato's kunai.

[poopdeville]

PD I think the thing you're neglecting is Nagato's personality. Nagato seems to have had a very weak, timid personality and before now was only able to bring out his real power when he was really emotional and/or his life was in danger, not unlike someone else we know.

And why he didn't do anything before is pretty simple. Shock. They weren't expecting Konan to be taken hostage and after seeing this I'm pretty sure he and Yahiko could have fought their way out but Yahiko elected to kill himself, by impaling himself on Nagato's kunai.

I guess. Nagato's "way of the ninja" was to protect his friends, though. He didn't even try until it was too late, despite having some kick ass jutsu.

That "other" ninja you mentioned is able to bring out his full power for others. Not arguing, just sayin'. Hanzo's ambush definitely put the three kids in a bad spot, too.

[Abdula]

He didn't even try until it was too late, despite having some kick ass jutsu.

That "other" ninja you mentioned is able to bring out his full power for others.

Yeah that is a very good point but that just goes back to their differing personalities. Naruto is very assertive and Nagato just isn't. Even now, he is still just attaching himself to someone with a strong personality i.e. Madara.

[12345p]

Naruto is very assertive and Nagato just isn't. Even now, he is still just attaching himself to someone with a strong personality i.e. Madara.

That is exactly what makes me wonder if Nagato is going to jump ship & join Naruto + Crew...

[poopdeville]

That is exactly what makes me wonder if Nagato is going to jump ship & join Naruto + Crew...

I hope not. I can live with a peace treaty between Amegakure and Konoha. I'd probably stop reading if Nagato and Konan "joined" Naruto or Konoha in any sense, in the next few (manga) weeks/months. They're both still pissed at each other. And now Nagato knows fighting Naruto is a big challenge -- big enough he can actually and probably would lose. Nagato wants to make peace by killing Naruto, but he is unable. Naruto is unwilling to make peace by killing Nagato. The only way they are going to make peace is to part ways here, and meet to talk about a plan going forward once they have both calmed down.

[Patriot]

^ yeah that's the way I saw it happen too. Sometimes its just not that clear in the scans...

[Rikudo]

I'm thinking after naruto leaves, Danzou/roots ANBU squad will assassinate Nagato and claim the victory for himself. That way he will get a more stronger support for his bid as a Hokage.

[Archangel]

I'm thinking after naruto leaves, Danzou/roots ANBU squad will assassinate Nagato and claim the victory for himself. That way he will get a more stronger support for his bid as a Hokage.

Half the village already knows that the one fighting Pain is Naruto