Sounds like black and white to me.Originally Posted by UChessmaster
Either way, it doesn't justify Skyler's cheating on Walt and giving his money Ted. Although again that's a difference in our priority of values, so that's a subjective argument that won't go anywhere.
So you agree with me...?
For the record, you stated it`s NOT black and white a few posts ago, I stated it is, now you`re saying it souns black and white?
Again, it`s called Breaking Bad, not Breaking Ambiguous.
Last edited by UChessmaster; Mon, 09-23-2013 at 08:22 PM.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
I was being sarcastic. "Grey Matter" - it not black and white. Gilligan didn't do that by coincidence.
I'm surprised that Gilligan so easily dismisses Walt as just a bad guy who is getting what he deserves. Haven't all of us been involved in something that spiraled out of control or got out of hand, and we deal with it the best we can in hopes it turns out ok? Of course what Walt did is x1000 but you can still sympathize with a guy who had good intentions but let things get wildly out of hand.
@UChess: about the title, remember back in the first episodes how it came about in the show. Jesse tells Mr. White that just because his life is going to shit it doesn't mean he can simply "break bad" and go into this life of crime. I don't think it's as simple as saying Walt is bad.
AS UChess has said, the lies were a betrayal of trust in their marriage, so Skyler sleeping with Ted was just desserts. She gave Ted money to keep his business afloat (old loyalties) and so she wouldn't go to jail for cooking his accounts.
No, we've already seen in previous episodes that Walt takes matters into his own hands with the M60. He's going full frontal assault on everyone.
Last edited by Animeniax; Mon, 09-23-2013 at 11:34 PM.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Sorry for double posting, but maybe we can discuss the actual latest episode.
I was pretty upset with the way they had Walt dissolving into nothingness, hiding in a cabin slowly dying and completely losing control of everything. Then the bar scene happens and Heisenberg reappears and the show is the greatest ever again.
I was really annoyed with how Andrea (Jesse's girlfriend) went out. She's from a bad part of town, doesn't she know not to open the door to strangers at night? What a dumbass.
I thought Jesse was going to escape and was actually rooting for him to get away, even though he deserves his pain for being such a pussy and bringing all this shit on everyone.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Yeah one thing the writers overlooked, Andrea must have figured out Jesse's past in drug dealing when Walt's face was all over national television. Her listening to a stranger in the dead of night seemed to be a stretch.
A) Yet that`s exactly what he did, he broke bad, he is a bad guy, thus the tittle. Jessie`s comment was just to tie the series to the tittle directly and to foreshadow Walt`s path.
B) Exactly, Skyler gave money to Ted for "the sake of the family", by Carnage`s logic she should not be held accountable.
Yeah, it was rather odd how she just drops her guard to anyone claiming to be Jessie`s friend.
Last edited by UChessmaster; Tue, 09-24-2013 at 07:30 AM.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
We all apparently have differences of opinion as to fidelity and the sanctity of marriage. I tend to agree with you, I don't think having extra-marital affairs are the end of a relationship or the ultimate betrayal. I separate sex from love, and I think you do too.
She did the same thing with Walt. I think she was a convenient tool for the writers to manipulate Jesse, but it was lazy of them. Small detail, but it stuck out in my head because I hate when people answer the door, particularly at night, and unaware. Sure way to get killed, in TV/movies and in real life.Yeah, it was rather odd how she just drops her guard to anyone claiming to be Jessie`s friend.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
This is why it's called Breaking Bad:
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Said Vince Gilligan
That is evil, but funny.
Saw this on cracked.com:
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Last edited by Animeniax; Wed, 09-25-2013 at 06:25 AM.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
What are those last two?
Walking Dead and Boardwalk Empire. People really hated Lori, Rick's wife in Walking Dead.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Giving credit where it's due, apparently Vince Gilligan does side with Skyler:
http://www.uproxx.com/tv/2013/05/vin...-skyler-white/
Edit: But Vince also lays out how Walt isn't "white and black" evil:Man, I don’t see it that way at all. We’ve been at events and had all our actors up onstage, and people ask Anna Gunn, “Why is your character such a bitch?” And with the risk of painting with too broad a brush, I think the people who have these issues with the wives being too bitchy on Breaking Bad are misogynists, plain and simple. I like Skyler a little less now that she’s succumbed to Walt’s machinations, but in the early days she was the voice of morality on the show. She was the one telling him, “You can’t cook crystal meth.” She’s got a tough job being married to this asshole. And this, by the way, is why I should avoid the Internet at all costs. People are griping about Skyler White being too much of a killjoy to her meth-cooking, murdering husband? She’s telling him not to be a murderer and a guy who cooks drugs for kids. How could you have a problem with that?
http://www.vulture.com/2013/05/vince...aking-bad.html
But this is not a show about evil for evil’s sake. Walt has behaved at times in what could be regarded as an evil fashion, but I don’t think he’s an evil man. He is an extremely self-deluded man. We always say in the writers’ room, if Walter White has a true superpower, it’s not his knowledge of chemistry or his intellect, it’s his ability to lie to himself. He is the world’s greatest liar. He could lie to the pope. He could lie to Mother Teresa. He certainly could lie to his family, and he can lie to himself, and he can make these lies stick. He can make himself believe, in the face of all contrary evidence, that he is still a good man. It really does feel to us like a natural progression down this road to hell, which was originally paved with good intentions.
Thoroughly satisfying ending to a great show. Another milestone creation that has come and gone, and our Sunday evenings are a little less exciting now that it's over.
I want to marathon the entire series in a few weeks, but I do recall certain episodes were very frustrating to watch.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Wow, I can`t believe it`s over. Extremely awesome ending, I`m glad Walt finally admitted the whole "doing this for my family" thing was crap, which I`ve been yelling since season 1 to everyone. Interesting that Walt was using a green shirt, I was pleased that he died a good guy. Flynn had no dialogue this episode, lol. I love full circle endings. I think the most beautiful part of this is that, at the end of it all, everything he did this episode he really did it for his family, Jessie included.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
I disagree that the "doing this for my family" thing was crap. For most, your family is an extension of the self, particularly your children, and particularly if you are the traditional bread-winner (the spouse who brings home the bacon, the man of the house). Yes he did it largely for himself, especially considering how he went about doing things, but in the end what is he but the head of his household, the father of his children, and he wants to leave them financially secure and his legacy. That legacy (and the money) got heavily tainted by the end, but his intentions were intact.
Still, awesome episode, and like you said the full circle ending was perfect. All loose ends tied up, everyone got what they deserved.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Vince explains the series finale:
http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/09/30/br...ince-gilligan/
Lol @ Vince Gilligan thinking Todd was a likeable character. The creepy child killer, really? The guy who just offed Andrea a while ago...
I've read different angles on Todd's character and if you imagine he was raised by his Uncle Jack and hung around those neo-nazis his whole life, then he's probably a victim of his environment as much as an innately terrible person.
Todd did come across as a soft-spoken guy, and he showed respect to Mr. White at times. It demonstrates his mentality of being someone who follows leaders and does whatever they ask or he thinks will make them happy. I hate people like that, but it does explain it a bit better than just writing them off as psychopaths.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I have hated Todd ever since I saw him kill that kid, and nothing that has happened since then has changed my opinion of him in the slightest. It wasn't so much the killing, but the fact he seemed unfazed by the act itself. When unwanted deaths occurred around Walt or Jessie, they usually felt some type of remorse or had to struggle to come to terms with it.
Sure, he is victim of his circumstances but all psychopaths are usually broken by something that happens to them in their past or how they are brought up. Who is to say uncle Jack or the other neo-nazis weren't raised by similar crazies? Doesn't make them any more likeable. To me, being soft-spoken actually makes him even creepier because we all know that he is no less than a monster himself.
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