Oh right. I marathoned the series last summer so details like that didn't stick.
Can't believe there are only 2 episodes left. But hopefully this series ends when it's supposed to, instead of trying to linger to make money and ruining what is one of the best TV series ever.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Was always meant to end here.Originally Posted by Animeniax
Best.Episode. Ever!
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Perhaps, but you have to believe that Vince Gilligan (show's creator/writer) has gotten a lot of offers to continue the series in some fashion. It's a ratings bonanza and there's money to be made. Score one for artistic integrity that he's ending the series like this.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Good episode.
However, all of the females in this show are all, ugh. SOOOOO emotional!
And the son sucks too! Walt didn't pull no knife on her! :<
I have a feeling Jesse will survive this.
I can't see Walt not knowing the police were listening. I am just chalking that phone call to him not giving a shit and wanting to hurt Skylar since he's about to die, anyway.
"Leaving hell is not the same as entering it." - Tierce Japhrimel
The women really did play a submissive supporting role throughout the series, and you can't expect them to behave any differently now that shit has hit the fan.
When he took his mom's side in the fight, I think Flynn was just coming to grips with the fact that everything he was told about Walt was probably true.
I think you misinterpreted the phone call Walt made. Watch it again, and remember every terrible thing he has done in this show was to protect his family.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
That's what he likes to say, but I'm pretty sure it would have been fine to stop at 5-10 million or so. 80 million? For the empire.
The women weren't submissive, just busy whining and assuming the worst of everything. Though, Walt didn't explain what happened very well either.
"Leaving hell is not the same as entering it." - Tierce Japhrimel
Animeniax is pointing out that Walt used the phone call to wipe Skylar's plate/involvement clean as far as the feds are concerned. He cried during the phone call because it pained him to pretend that he is as cruel as his image is, whereas in his genuine anger in the house he wasn't close to crying but lashing out.
Walt didn't have the time to explain, and probably would have had Skylar just waited until they were done packing.
Oh snaps! You're probably right.
Still hate the women, though! NOTHING CAN CHANGE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Leaving hell is not the same as entering it." - Tierce Japhrimel
It will continue, with a Sasul spin off.
Inflate his ego*
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Both true, he did get a lot carried away with his fortune building. But at the core it was still for his family. Like Carnage said, he never really did explain to his family why he did what he did, that it was (mostly) all for them.
Remember also that he wasn't aware of how much money he had made until Skylar showed him the pile, at which point he stopped, and he didn't even know how much money was there.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
He never had the need to get into the business in the first place, most of gray matter`s money is rightfully his and Eliot and Gretchen were more than happy to pay for everything. It was never a family thing, that was just a screen. Instead it was a pride and ego thing.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
They offered to cover his chemo and treatment, but that doesn't provide for his family or ensure their financial security if he didn't survive. Whether the money/invention is rightfully his or not, he has no legal right to it as far as I recall.
Yes a lot of this was ego, and he had other options than becoming a drug kingpin. Still, after everything that's happened, I think it's crazy to say the family angle was just a screen. I say it was his driving force, and his ego got in the way.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
They had no legal obligation, but they were still 100% willing to pay for everything and more. He had zero need to do this, the whole family thing is how he convinced himself that what he was doing was remotely noble.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Jesus Christ this show is completely lost on you, it's like playing Mozart for chimps.
The episode itself was amazing, for a moment i thought they were going to continue the trend of the paralleling Walt and Gus' journey into a kingpin but if anything Hanks death seems to have brought Walter White back from within Heisenberg. And in the end i still find myself siding with him, even if the conclusion is all that really matters i wish his family at least knew a bit about the circumstances that led to it.
Let's no go crazy with rage because I don't sympathize with the characters, here.
Just because the characters are written brilliantly, doesn't mean I have to like them. Shouldn't you have grown out of ur "omg this show is so smart therefore u should like it if ur smart" phase? It's like you've seen nothing but shitty anime your whole life, the first cleverly written thing you see can endure no vitriol. (Remembering ur rage at me not liking Dexter despite it's amazing and groundbreaking nature vs. nurture themes)
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For example, I am well aware that the son probably midged the story a bit (on who pulled the knife on who) to get the cops to come faster. Or he is one of those guys who think that engaging in self-defense against a woman is bad because, it's, omg! attacking a woman. However, if he went through the whole show blindly believing in his dad, he could have given his dad the benefit of a doubt for 30 more minutes to let him explain what was going on. If my panicked dad (who I had no reason to disbelieve until 30 minutes ago) comes in covered in dirt and grime and says 'we need to get the fuck out of the house NOW, I'll explain later', I'll get out of the house so he can explain, not stand around being super dramatic.
@Ani: Check your wall, love.
Last edited by Sapphire; Tue, 09-17-2013 at 10:20 AM.
"Leaving hell is not the same as entering it." - Tierce Japhrimel
Sorry Sapphy, but I think Arch is saying that you don't seem to understand peoples' motivations or nuances of their actions in this show. It might be the wrong kind of show for you, which isn't the worst thing. It'd be nice to be so innocent and naive about the evil of man.
Yes they were willing to pay for his cancer treatment, but they didn't offer to take care of his family for the rest of their lives after Walt died. How long and to what extent would they take care of Walt's family? Would they pay for the kids' college and cover Skyler into retirement?
Regardless, what kind of man would take that kind of charity? He provides for his family and is a brilliant guy, but circumstances in life resulted in him being a high school chemistry teacher instead of a millionaire. We can call that ego, but it's standard male ego, not egomaniacal.
Last edited by Animeniax; Tue, 09-17-2013 at 10:26 AM.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
If Walter died, do you honestly believe they would leave Skylar and the kids alone? I very much doubt it.I have no doubt they`d pay for college and whatever, it`s pocket money to them. Let`s review the context here, these two people have a lot of millions thanks entirely for Walter, they are infinitely thankful to him.
For family? Any man that truly loves his family would. Again, it is hardly charity.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
I think you overestimate the charity they would give to Walter's family if he died (and this was never broached in the show). They offered to cover his medical expenses, that's all. You can't extrapolate that to say they'd take care of Walt's family, or even that they'd cut him in on their profits if he were to live. If I recall correctly from season 1, he gave up rights to the work and sold his interests to his partners. They did the rest of the work to make their millions.
I wish we lived in a world like you suggest, but we don't. My father loves our family but he struggled to accept welfare when they first came to the US in the 70s. He got off welfare as soon as possible (through legal means) because he hated the idea of it so much, the same as Walt refusing help to provide for his family.For family? Any man that truly loves his family would. Again, it is hardly charity.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
In addition to what Animeniax has pointed out, remember Walt's ego (not in a purely negative sense). Here we have a brilliant genius out of Caltech, smarter than 99.9% of the people around him, and society seems bankrupt to him because he stuck as an unappreciated high school teacher who can barely make ends meet when there are millions of people doing better who are both extremely less intelligent and ill mannered. Remember the asshole with the bmw at the bank/gas station? Seems like society fucked Walt over and he wanted to leave his kids something he built, something he deserved. You can argue that he isn't justified, but I'm somewhat confident this is the premise.
You keep calling it charity... I do believe they would take care of his family, but I guess I`m alone in this one, in the end I don`t really have any solid evidence.
Are you saying your father`s pride was bigger than the well being of your family? And this is normal? Different countries, different values I guess.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
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