TV: Breaking Bad

[Animeniax]

Besides the kindnesses he showed Walt and the kindness he showed Jesse with the ice cream and leaving the tarp off, there wasn't anything to like about Todd. You don't have to like the guy, but you should factor in that he's not an evil person, it doesn't factor in for him that what he's doing is right or wrong.

It'd be like hating a dog or a lion that killed. The animal doesn't know right from wrong, it just does what it does. I'm not saying it's ok or that he should be forgiven or excused for his crimes, just that it's not black and white, good and bad with him.

[Splash!]

It'd be like hating a dog or a lion that killed. The animal doesn't know right from wrong, it just does what it does. I'm not saying it's ok or that he should be forgiven or excused for his crimes, just that it's not black and white, good and bad with him.

Well if a human being like Todd is comparable to a wild animal, that kind of says something, doesn't it?

I don't think even the most heinous criminals out there are ever truly black and while, but that in itself doesn't mean much. With him, I feel that the bad significantly trumps the good.

[UChessmaster]

For some reason I don`t hate Todd either and I feel like I totally should. Maybe is the few small sliver of adorable things Todd does or says every now and then when he`s not killing innocent kids, his puppy love for Lydia, being a fanboy of Walt and as already mentioned the ice cream. I think we`re experiencing some sort of Stockholm tv syndrome.

[Animeniax]

It wouldn't be fair that so many empathize with Walt but vilify Todd. Both guys are terrible people for different reasons and because of different causes. Don't mistake me, I don't like Todd. I just don't hate him. Weird that I think I hate Jesse most of all the primary characters.

[Carnage]

It wouldn't be fair that so many empathize with Walt but vilify Todd.

It's entirely fair. Walt has only ever harmed bums and violent drug criminals, the only indirect exceptions being Gale and the kid on the bike. Todd willingly shoots innocent children and mothers.

[Animeniax]

It's entirely fair. Walt has only ever harmed bums and violent drug criminals, the only indirect exceptions being Gale and the kid on the bike. Todd willingly shoots innocent children and mothers.

Well all that meth he made hurt a lot of people. I've heard arguments that only drug addicts were affected by the explosion of high quality meth. But something like this creates new addicts and ruins more lives.

[Carnage]

Well all that meth he made hurt a lot of people. I've heard arguments that only drug addicts were affected by the explosion of high quality meth. But something like this creates new addicts and ruins more lives.

I guess I'm just very conservative, but I just don't feel very bad for people trying it in the first place unless they're 12 and don't generally know that hard drugs have side effects.

Edit: make that 10 year olds.

[Animeniax]

I guess I'm just very conservative, but I just don't feel very bad for people trying it in the first place unless they're 12 and don't generally know that hard drugs have side effects.

Edit: make that 10 year olds.

Peer pressure can make even smart kids do dumb things, and most teenage years are rife with dumb decisions and mistakes. We can dismiss these kids as getting what they deserve, but that doesn't lessen the societal impact. I never tried drugs until I was in my 30s (as documented in the bitching thread), so in general I agree with you that only dumb kids do drugs.

[lelouch]

Jesse was breaking bad when we was drove through that gate... must have learned from Flynn.

http://screen.yahoo.com/sketchy/brea...210659594.html

Flynn had no dialogue this episode, lol.

g-g-ggg-g-ggg-ggggg-gg-gg

gooOOOOd

[UChessmaster]

Speaking of Jr. am I the only one that thinks that Walt doesn`t loves him per se? I was always under the impression Jr. is not the kid he wants, but the kid he got stuck with. Instead, I think he subconsciously thought of Jessie as his real son, as evidenced by the "thank you Jessie" scene, thoughts?

[lelouch]

Speaking of Jr. am I the only one that thinks that Walt doesn`t loves him per se? I was always under the impression Jr. is not the kid he wants, but the kid he got stuck with. Instead, I think he subconsciously thought of Jessie as his real son, as evidenced by the "thank you Jessie" scene, thoughts?

Well duh, it's because Jr. was the real mastermind behind this whole thing and had his dad held hostage.

[Animeniax]

Speaking of Jr. am I the only one that thinks that Walt doesn`t loves him per se? I was always under the impression Jr. is not the kid he wants, but the kid he got stuck with. Instead, I think he subconsciously thought of Jessie as his real son, as evidenced by the "thank you Jessie" scene, thoughts?

I wouldn't say he doesn't love him, but I agree he probably doesn't like him as in he's not what Walt wanted in a son. Who would want a child who had to live a handicapped life, instead of a healthy normal child (as terrible as that sounds)? I think Jesse was his surrogate son who shared his interest in chemistry (in a sick and twisted way) and making money.

[lelouch]

I wouldn't say he doesn't love him, but I agree he probably doesn't like him as in he's not what Walt wanted in a son. Who would want a child who had to live a handicapped life, instead of a healthy normal child (as terrible as that sounds)? I think Jesse was his surrogate son who shared his interest in chemistry (in a sick and twisted way) and making money.

While secretly working for Flynn http://screen.yahoo.com/sketchy/brea...210659594.html

[UChessmaster]

I wouldn't say he doesn't love him, but I agree he probably doesn't like him as in he's not what Walt wanted in a son. Who would want a child who had to live a handicapped life, instead of a healthy normal child (as terrible as that sounds)? I think Jesse was his surrogate son who shared his interest in chemistry (in a sick and twisted way) and making money.

I don`t mean just the CP though, I imagined post grey matter Walter as some sort of caged bird, trapped with his family while convincing himself he loves them, while Jessie is a free bird, doing what he wants without giving a shit while still having some sense of morality, then he looks at Jr. who is like... an old dog ashamed of his own name.

[Animeniax]

While secretly working for Flynn http://screen.yahoo.com/sketchy/brea...210659594.html

Haha yeah that's funny. I love these conspiracy theories and alternate views of the BB world. I'd say Gilligan could make a spinoff or continue the story, but he ended it perfectly and anything more than fan-made material on the internet would taint the original.

I don`t mean just the CP though, I imagined post grey matter Walter as some sort of caged bird, trapped with his family while convincing himself he loves them, while Jessie is a free bird, doing what he wants without giving a shit while still having some sense of morality, then he looks at Jr. who is like... an old dog ashamed of his own name.

That makes sense, and plays right into his "conviction" that he was doing all those bad things for his family and not just for himself. I guess the family was another symbol of what Walt could have been (rich and prosperous) but wasn't. It's like the reverse of that Nic Cage movie, the Family Man.

[poopdeville]

I wonder if "Better Call Saul" is going to be about Saul's adventures post-running. Bob Odenkirk would act the shit out of a sleazy Taco Bell manager part.

[Animeniax]

I wonder if "Better Call Saul" is going to be about Saul's adventures post-running. Bob Odenkirk would act the shit out of a sleazy Taco Bell manager part.

I hadn't heard but they've greenlighted this spinoff. Apparently it's a prequel so no Walt/Jesse/White family. Not sure how to feel about this, as BB ended so well. I'd hate for anything to taint the memory of a great show.

[UChessmaster]

Fun fact, the last episode is called felina, fe=iron, li=lithium and na=sodium, those are key components for blood, meth and tears.

[Animeniax]

Fun fact, the last episode is called felina, fe=iron, li=lithium and na=sodium, those are key components for blood, meth and tears.

That's one of the suggested meanings of the title, and speaks to the many layers of a lot of the cool elements in the show.

[Animeniax]

This is one of the funniest BB memes I've seen:

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