I kind of feel like they reeeaaaaaallllllyyy dragged out this fight. As if they were trying to waste time and hope no one noticed. Then again, slow progression is still better than fillers. I wanna see Ichihgo.
I kind of feel like they reeeaaaaaallllllyyy dragged out this fight. As if they were trying to waste time and hope no one noticed. Then again, slow progression is still better than fillers. I wanna see Ichihgo.
Yes, we need to have a little more Ichigo, after all, even with the Vaizard training, he didn't seem to have that much of a progression other than the Hollow boost and the extend time in that mode.
After all, Kenpachi seems to be more powerfull, eventhough we did not see him train at all. Even vice-captains seem to have progressed more than Ichigo
Also, he's been using his bankai for quite some time now and for some reason I feel he'll be the one to discover a 3rd stage for his sword. Well I may be wrong since that would be so lame... But past his Hollow transformation, what can he do to progress even more?
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Like Kraco said, Rukia teaching Ichigo how to use magic would be helpful, but that won't ever happen. At least, not until we see it happen. All he can do now is learn how to swing his sword and put on his mask more effectively.
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Ichigo strikes me as being very much like Naruto though, not really good at the intricate detailed difficult things but making up for it through sheer willpower and expending exorbitant amounts of reiatsu. I doubt he has the control yet to handle demon arts.Originally Posted by Nadouku
David75 The tri-spokes in your avatar make me happy. Haven't thought about those in years.
Yeah. In the end it would probably be far better for Ichigo to receive training from Kenpachi than Rukia. I'm not saying he couldn't learn from Rukia - I don't think Ichigo is clinically stupid even if he has surely done stupid things, but his biggest problem is the fact he's afraid to cut his enemies and afraid to make life and death decisions (though he seems unseemly happy to die himself).
It's quite well established that in the Bleach world if you are filled by will and reason to hit and cut, your power level will rise 500%... For Kenpachi the idea that he might not be able to cut somebody down has never occurred, thus he's permanently up there. Ichigo, however, has to learn that every single time he's facing somebody tough, and only after he has been on the receiving end of serious beating for an unsightly long time.
But I suppose textbook shounen can't help it. It's a futile case either way.
Well, he could at least work on a second attack for his bankai, instead of just his Getsuga Tensho.
After all, Byakuya has two attacks with his bankai. And Ichigo experienced it.
So he should know there's a next level there too.
Also, his bankai is very small, Byakuya himself was astonished.
So there's room for progression everywhere:
Swordmanship
Bankai
Magic
Hollow control
etc
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Byakuya has two attacks, and also hundreds of years of experience in using his Bankai and even more in fighting with a Zanpakto. I agree that Ichigo has a ways to go w/ regards to Swordsmanship, Bankai and Hollow Control; but you can't forget he's just a baby relative to all normal shingami. I think that magic should be his least priority until he leans to control his power better.
Ichigo's growth, however, is his biggest asset to his abilities. His ability to grow at an abnormal rate has lead him to achieve Bankai at an early stage. However, like most of the people have said, he has yet to grasp Bankai effectively, or his Spirit Force entirely.
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Do you think we'll ever get a satisfactory explanation of what makes Ichigo so awesome? Why can he fight like he does, how does he get stronger every fight, advance so quickly, have hollow powers. It'd be cool if they could work in an answer besides enormous reiatsu. Which I think would be a cop-out, and his reiatsu should be a symptom, not a cause.
It sure sounded like Byakuya had hundreds (even thousands) of years of experience with his Bankai when he talked about it, however, from the Vizards in Soul Society arc we can make a reasonable guess that it has been less than 100 years he has had Bankai (probably quite a bit less, 50 or something like that given how long it should take to achieve Bankai).
Where Ichigo goes from here (in a becoming stronger sense) I would guess involves his father, maybe that is just a hope so that we can see what he is all about though...
Haha. It's true it's somewhat ridiculous to blame Ichigo for lack of performance considering he has been a shinigami for a shorter time than probably all of the nameless grunts we saw during the SS arc. However, he has been pretty solidly established to be at a captain level by the show itself, so while ridiculous, it's not altogether unreasonable. If we actually do assume gaining mastery and decent fighting skills is no o/n affair, then the way of constantly finding new power-ups is probably the only way to go, even if he's trapped at only using... let's say 30% of their max potential.
Ichigo's father would be a good choice to train him next with the early wake up attacks.
He may have already obtained the highest level of Shinigami abilities shown so far in the series with Bankai, but as far as his Hollow powers, he's still at the lowest level. He's basically the hybrid of a Bankai-level shinigami and a normal Hollow. From his Hollow aspect he can still progress along the Arrancar path, and he has Nel to teach him how.
Even though it hasn't been directly stated, all evidence so far seems to show that Arrancar's Zapaktous are made up from the pieces of their masks that they remove(e.i. Arrancar have Zanpaktous, non-arrancars do not, and when an Arrancar uses its Resurreccion("Returning Blade"), they're Zanpaktou dissapears and they transform such that their Hollow mask seems to cover their entire bodies). Which means if Ichigo were to become an Arrancar, his mask would either form a second Zanpaktou, or it the pieces would merge with Zangetsu to transform the weapon.
So basically picture Hollow Ichigo, with the plain half of his mask torn off, and wielding a second Zanpaktou that looks just like Bankai Zangetsu, only it's white(just like Negative Ichigo inside his head does).
And beyond that he'd also be able to learn Resurreccion eventually and obtain some kind of full body hollow transformation.
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Hollow->Arrancar->Espada?
That would drag the current arc for a great while.
Also, I feel like the after Espada arc will be in the Kings world because Aizen will find a way of opening a door to that world. So I guess there'll be other paths to take to increase power/abilities.
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Espada are just the 10 most powerful Arrancar. They're not really a separate power level. Even the Privarion have Resurreccion.
I don't expect him to become an Arrancar in this arc anyway. There really isn't time since I think Ulquiorra will be Ichigo's last fight in this arc.
Yammy and Wonderweiss are still there, but I can't consider Yammy a huge threat since he's number 10 and Wonderweiss hasn't shown anything else besides the aloof behavior. Maybe Ulquiorra will be Ichigo's last fight, but who knows what Kubo might extend to this arc.
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Ulquiora = Kuchiki
So yes it will be this arc's last fight
Like I said, Ulquiorra is Ichigo's last fight. If Yammy or Wonderweiss show up they'd probably fight Chad or Ishida or one of them.
Followed by Aizen demonstrating his godlike power and demolishing everyone
. Seriously though, Ichigo is still small fry much like he was in the SS arc. There are still much bigger fish in the ocean.
That is one of the few, very few, good things Bleach still has going for it. Despite all his shonen power-ups Ichigo still can't beat everyone.
Dreaming impossible dreams.
Sapphire is awesome!
If history is any indication, all Ichigo needs to do to become powerful enough to defeat Aizen is fight him twice.
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