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    I don't get this promo picture. You have a demi-god, a hulk, a super-soldier, a powered-armor weapon, etc... and you should be afraid of this guy's arrows?

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    And his swag.
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    The guy can't even hold the bow right.
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    He holds it sideways cause it's gangsta.


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    The correct way to hold a bow is a way that allows you to hit the mark. Nothing else matters. Unless you are an archery teacher, since prude parents might take their kids elsewhere if you taught them gangsta archery instead of a more by the book looking version.

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    His arrows always connect, right? And you never really know what's going to hit you..

    Having precision aiming as a superpower is pretty good. The fight comes down to whether the strongest of his arrows (for the situation) can breach the weakest part of the enemy.

    He does feel out of place in the team, but I wouldn't dare say he's ineffective.

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    In the first movie, his elbow sticks out and is not parallel to the arrow for a lot of his shots. The point here is that he wouldn't hit the targets with that form, but he does because of plot. They really should have trained the actors better for their roles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    The correct way to hold a bow is a way that allows you to hit the mark. Nothing else matters. Unless you are an archery teacher, since prude parents might take their kids elsewhere if you taught them gangsta archery instead of a more by the book looking version.
    It's funny but once you learn how to hold a handgun the correct way (one of the preferred ways) it's sad to see people in tv and movies holding handguns incorrectly. I imagine archery experts cringe at Hawkeye's techniques as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    In the first movie, his elbow sticks out and is not parallel to the arrow for a lot of his shots. The point here is that he wouldn't hit the targets with that form, but he does because of plot. They really should have trained the actors better for their roles.
    Yeah but his super power is being able to hit targets no matter what, like Buff said. So regardless of poor form or technique, he can hit his target.


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    I just checked wiki about Hawkeye's superpowers, but he is supposed to have none. He is just good at what he does, which is contrary to his archery form. Am I missing some alternate universe story about his abilities here?
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    They are thinking of bullseye, who also doesn't have any real powers; hawkeye isn't just good at wat he does, he's literally the best archer in the marvel universe, he can shoot arrows however he feels like it.
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    "Superpowers" was a poor choice of words on my part. What I meant was "ability" - whether it came from a supernatural source or sheer training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Animeniax View Post
    He holds it sideways cause it's gangsta.
    He holds it sideways to keep the arrow from falling out.

    Like you're supposed to when you're not using an Olympic bow with 20 lbs of shit screwed into it which either stabilizes the whole bow, or holds the arrow, etc.

    @shinta:
    Is his form bad? Yes.

    Does it matter? Not really. It's a movie. Hunger Games is just as bad. The one where the lead character is supposed to be great at archery. Brave is one of the few that actually cared to get it right.

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    And before anyone says it, yes, you in fact can be all Legolas 'n shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    "Superpowers" was a poor choice of words on my part. What I meant was "ability" - whether it came from a supernatural source or sheer training.
    He has some implants in the Ultimate Universe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu View Post
    He holds it sideways to keep the arrow from falling out.

    Like you're supposed to when you're not using an Olympic bow with 20 lbs of shit screwed into it which either stabilizes the whole bow, or holds the arrow, etc.
    I've seen plenty of non-Olympic archers hold it vertical. The arrow rests on a perch or shallow groove on the bow.

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    I think in this promo shot he's holding it sideways because it looks cool and doesn't obscure his face while also tying everything together along the length of the bow. If he held it vertically it would effectively cut the scene in half.


    Quote Originally Posted by UChessmaster View Post
    He has some implants in the Ultimate Universe.
    I read he has a higher than normal rod cell count in his eyes and the muscles around his eyes allow for orb distortion which allows him to change focal length, effectively giving him telescoping eyes. Are those implants or a genetic mutation (making him a filthy mutie)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Animeniax View Post
    I've seen plenty of non-Olympic archers hold it vertical. The arrow rests on a perch or shallow groove on the bow.

    I think in this promo shot he's holding it sideways because it looks cool and doesn't obscure his face while also tying everything together along the length of the bow. If he held it vertically it would effectively cut the scene in half.

    Are those implants or a genetic mutation (making him a filthy mutie)?
    Arrow rests are for losers. Traditional bows ftw!

    That's exactly why they did it, but it did make it look correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Animeniax View Post
    I read he has a higher than normal rod cell count in his eyes and the muscles around his eyes allow for orb distortion which allows him to change focal length, effectively giving him telescoping eyes. Are those implants or a genetic mutation (making him a filthy mutie)?
    Implants.
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    Here's a fun article critiquing movie Hawkeye's terrible terrible archery form:

    http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2012/03...wkeye-archery/

    Best part is how JR had to wear two arm guards to protect himself because he's so bad at shooting a bow:

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    No offense because I like JR as an actor and action star, plus this isn't meant to say anything about Hawkeye's skills or powers.


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    Seriously though, criticizing Hawkeye is as silly as criticizing all of the many other unrealistic shit going on in the movie. It`s a superhero movie, it looks this way or that way because it looks badass, just roll with it.
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    Yeah, that article is seriously some of the most "who cares" shit I've read in awhile.
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    I gotta say, of course he had to wear "two" arm guards. "One" of those is worthless. The prop is a single armguard. Real armguards are at least four times as wide. Notice the pro the image below, his armguard is about the same overall width, certainly the same proportionally. Renner has larger forearms.

    I have this one. It's 5 inches wide.


    If anyone tells you that "real" archers don't need them, they're just posturing. Pros wear them, hunters wear them (prevents catching on winter jacket sleeves). The author is full of shit.


    It's a movie prop for effect, like Loki's staff.

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