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    woot! so soon after 14 :P, awesome!
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    Not really. Ep 14 was out a week ago on the 7th. I was trying to hold out for Solstice, but I gave up.

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    They had to ruin a cliffhanger. Were they really that desperate for another 10 seconds of footage?

    Even if afterwards we realise Arawn *can't* possibly die halfway through the series, it was still appropriate to end it there.

    As for the story.....what the hell?

    So Arawn was good during the Elves' Age, died, turned white and killed Arthur's dad, died, rose from the dead and became tribe leader.

    At first I was thinking Arthur shared Pwyll's memories like Rhiannon did, and got confused between the two. Thing is, Rhiannon could tell which was real and which wasn't. It doesn't make sense that Arthur couldn't neither, unless their (Arthur and boy-in-flashback) fathers looked the same, leading to the wut-da? timeline above.

    The easiest solution is that whoever killed Arthur's father disguised themselves as Arawn. Not that it makes much sense neither.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
    The easiest solution is that whoever killed Arthur's father disguised themselves as Arawn. Not that it makes much sense neither.
    Or all the Spirits are considered the same, and are nasty folks. Arawn turned black, becoming good. Still, he held himself accountable for all that the Spirits did. Who knows, maybe they all were called Arawn...

    Due to the fact Arawn was supposed to have died ages ago and was only resurrected a little while ago, it's hard to believe he could have personally killed Arthur's dad. Regardless, unless it was some witless plot of his, it's hard to imagine he would have risked the life of his body for nothing.

    One thing is sure, though: Arthur reached an all time low once again. That dude never ceases to amaze.

    About the time Gaius actually launches his attack. Was he seriously just waiting for the never-to-come reinforcements all this time? He's not nearly as tough as I thought.

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    Solstice - Episode 14 for those who care.

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    Building up to some Gaius action, ive looked forward to seeing him fight since we first saw him, so they better fucking deliver.
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    Arthur is really ruining my attachment to the name (mainly coming from King Arthur, and Arturia from FSN). He is simply retarded, and yet gets so much screen time. Reminds me of Shirou all over again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
    He is simply retarded, and yet gets so much screen time. Reminds me of Shirou all over again.
    As much as I disliked Shirou, he was never as bad as Arthur. At least Shirou gave everybody the benefit of doubt, sometimes far too much so, but Arthur, however, simply wants to kill everybody he suddenly doesn't like for arbitrary reasons, even if that person happened to be the savior of his tribe and his leader and killing him might ruin everything he has worked for... The man is a psychopath, loud and clear. Actually he's a psychopath with a split personality. That could be even a cool trait in certain kinds of characters but no trait is cool in Arthur.

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    Yeah, because he almost killed his leader because of those traits. LOL

    I find it incredibly weird how none of the people watching from behind thought of trying to stop Arthur, especially when he started mumbling "I will kill you." towards their leader. Octavia could have easily knocked him out considering his enraged state.
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    I wonder how much of Arthur's actions were his own thoughts, and how much was influenced by the surrounding magic. They only mentioned Gravitron or whatever his name is that effects elves, but given how someone might well be framing Arawn for the ex-leader's murder, who knows if that spellcaster was giving Arthur that little push into the murderous state he was in.

    Not that it changes anything, I still hate Arthur for being a dumbass all the same.

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    It should not be forgotten the attack only happened because Arawn let it happen. Maybe even wanted it to happen. Clearly he is in some way connected to Arthur's dad demise, though whether he did it himself (despite lying in a grave) or whether it was done by another spirit, is yet to be revealed. If he just wanted Arthur to have his revenge and thus get the matter out of burdening Arthur's pitifully small mind, it was surely a personally painful way to do it...

    If some outside force was driving Arthur forward, it still doesn't change the fact he was so ultimately weak he allowed that force to take over himself and attacked his leader. It's not enough for a good warrior to have strength and speed, also a solid mind is needed and that's where Arthur has failed through-out the whole story.

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    Aaaw YEAH, thats the shit!

    Decapitations, splitting bodies in two, dragon transformations!

    Kick ASS!
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    indeed. It was bloody mess and I liked it.

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    Bloody good action. I guess when it comes to hacking up humanoid pig-beasts, the studio has no qualms about dicing them up however you like.

    Ogam's transformation was a surprise. I was expecting it to be big, but more of the generic, leaner, scaly type. Instead we got a treat seeing a Super-Sayan-esque bulk up of something best described as demonic.

    That was pretty cool.

    Personally, I wouldn't have liked a leader like Rhiannon. That whole Genki attitude just doesn't quite cut it for me. Leadership aside, I think it's important knowing what instructions to give, not have them follow it.

    Octavia has much more charisma than Rhiannon in my opinion, as well as the military knowledge to back it up. I'll just have to settle with that the Gaels actually know how to protect their own ass and just needs their First Lady to tell them they'll be fine.

    Arthur....man, it's like those pledges corrupted up his brain capacity and gets a write-error malfunction if you tell him otherwise. They should have left out all the headache parts. If he doesn't understand anything outside of honour, that's fine. He's narrow-minded.

    But to have him get a headache from it...what is he, retarded?

    My favourite part would still have to be Octavia and Morgan's tandem gate climbing. There was a nice shot of Octavia's legs without feeling it was out-of-place fanservice.

    Points for the improvised rusty missile too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
    Ogam's transformation was a surprise. I was expecting it to be big, but more of the generic, leaner, scaly type. Instead we got a treat seeing a Super-Sayan-esque bulk up of something best described as demonic.


    Personally, I wouldn't have liked a leader like Rhiannon. That whole Genki attitude just doesn't quite cut it for me. Leadership aside, I think it's important knowing what instructions to give, not have them follow it.

    Octavia has much more charisma than Rhiannon in my opinion, as well as the military knowledge to back it up. I'll just have to settle with that the Gaels actually know how to protect their own ass and just needs their First Lady to tell them they'll be fine.
    Ogam being a dragon, that was a bit of a surprise, but a lot about him made sense after hearing it. His appearance on the other hand, was not a surprise in the slightest. If you've seen the other Leaf series, Utawawerumono, it is all too familiar. They even show what Ogam's dragon form resembles in the Utawawerumono OP.

    [ Those responding to or agreeing with me: I chose my words carefully,keep it spoiler free please ].

    I disagree with Octavia potentially being a better leader than Rhiannon as well. Rhiannon possesses a great deal of aspects that make her far more worthy of the Gaels respect so that she might lead them than Octavia. On the base level, she's is a Gael, rather than a conquered tribe former citizen of the Empire. She's also the first daughter of the tribe. That and her demeanor has made her like a mother (or older sister) to the entire tribe. She has never shown anything less than absolute compassion, concern, and care for her people. She projects an aura that she will do everything in her power to keep them alive, and on more than a few occasions, that is precisely how she has exerted her magical abilities. The tribe in turn can put their faith in her commands because they know she would never throw their lives away with a foolish decision.

    Rhiannon also has all the power to back up her command of armies. Her brother, Octavia and Arawn may all be able to strike down enemies with their blades, mostly in a clean and efficient manner, but Rhiannon can crush every bone in her opponents' bodies with a brisk wave of her staff. She is also the tribe's Oracle, and has foreseen a number of events. I really wonder how many of the tribe could actually defeat Rhiannon one on one if both sides were serious. Rhiannon has not simply sat at home while her tribe goes off. She fights with them, hunts with them, and takes care of them on and off the battlefield.

    She was not simply telling them that everything will be alright. She did that to revitalize their morale. Rhiannon commanded the troops on the battlements, and it is clear that since no troops of the Empire have yet to breech Avalon's walls, that she is quite the competent leader.

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    I agree with the fact that Octavia is not a good candidate simply because she is not a Gael. The other factors are generally equal, balanced by the two girls different strengths and weaknesses.
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    Okay, I'll agree with most of the good points Ryll has managed to bring up about Rhiannon, in particular her birth status and as the Oracle.

    I've got somewhat mixed impressions about her offensive abilities though. She's shown she's capable of using that spell in battle, but the rare occurrence of us seeing it might say something about the mana it requires.

    That, or she's usually playing the medic role.

    In either case, the fact that we don't see her in action much compared to everybody else makes me doubt her combat experience. That old Gael probably has more.

    In my eyes, her role should be somewhat similar to what she played while in the Imperial camp. She should have no problems with easing people's feelings, but leading a battle is another.

    Reason why I said should is because this episode showed her spilling out a few "tactics". (stick together, lower/retrieve drawbridge). Again, this is where I'm comparing with other candidates, and wonder if that old Gael could've done an equally good job.


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    My other "issue" with her is as Octavia says, her leadership lacks a tense atmosphere. While being too tense will lower performance, being tense to a degree could increase awareness and caution, while a complete lack could lead to carelessness and overconfidence.

    That (^) argument is probably much more subjective than the rest though. It just rubbed me the wrong way.

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    I do think that a gentle and lax military leadership is unheard of (because it won't work), but hey, this is TTT, where a general lets the enemy leader's 1st wife go even if she could have been a precious hostage.
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    Hoho, a bunch of fights going on at once! I wasn't surprised at Ogam's transformation due to the fact that he used magic and had a dragon staff as his weapon, but it did look cool. Looks like Arthur will be rejoining them for combat before that huge siege weapon hits.
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