[DB] Bleach 210 [657E4E74].avi
Only two episodes of this arc left.
Aaaaaaaaaah that was awesome! aaaaaawwweeessssooooommmeee!
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Great Episode indeed
Can't wait to watch this
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They could have given Yama-jii a little hair, maybe some brown highlights in his beard.
How does Shunsui keep getting these hot vice captains?
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Nice episode. However, I am really confused as to why the Captains didn't release their swords. Kensei and Mashirou were technically overpowering them with brute force.
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Risking being repetitive... I freaking love the Vaizards. They are the best characters Kubo invented therefore this arc is pure win.
I'll be sad to see it end in a few weeks.
That had to be one of the most amazing Bleach eps ever. I watched it 3x.
As for the sword release, there's a lot of viable reasons. At the start, it was feasible that they could stop Kensei without killing him. 3 captains and 3 vice captains versus one H-captain does not seem a difficult match, especially seeing that Kensei was not using a katana.
But with Mashiro showing up (which was my fav part of the ep, btw) and removing one cap from the battle in the process, and pinning both Shinji and Hiyori, I think now they're on the defensive enough they don't have time to release their Zanpakutou without significant risk.
Also, consider that their releases (like Urahara's) may not be suitable for the situation. For example, when Kensei first fought the hollow attacking Shuuhei, he didn't release immediately. He had everyone retreat before using his area-attack Zanpakutou. Using that alongside another captain in combat with a dangerous enemy like H-Kensei might lead to teammate injury.
There are still an unknown number of Shinigami and Rukongai citizens missing, which in the minds of the attack party may be Hollow by now, so they may be conserving their strength in case more enemies show up.
I'm not sure how to explain it either, but the sealed Zanpakutou seems to be the standard for all Shinigami in battle. The only ones who usually release their swords are the ones who don't have a reiatsu-based energy attack and almost solely increases the size or range of their weapons (such as Ikkaku, Renji, and Ichimaru). If their swords stay roughly the same size, just with an elemental or energy attack (such as Rukia and Byakuya), they tend to keep their Zanpakutou sealed until they really use it. On this logic (if you understood what I'm trying to say, haha) all the situations start to make sense. Taking Kensei vs. Hollow attacking Shuuhei situation again, another reason Kensei may have waited to release is because his weapon actually shrinks in size and is more used for the wind-elemental attack. Cutting off a thick tentacle with a short knife is harder than with a full katana.
While that is an ideal theory for that type of situation, it's not worth throwing your own life away not to be able to defend yourself properly, or to help others when in need. Even if their releases explosively destroys the vincinity, at least it will help them out, in a way.
I think Hiyori doesn't count since she didn't want to fight, so it's three Captains, one Lieutenant, and one Kidou Lieutenant versus one Hollow-ized Captain and one Hollow-ized Lieutenant. Whatever the case, they are simply overpowered in terms of brute strength and surprise attacks.
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So, these are Aizen's failed attempts at creating shinigami-hollow hybrids, or perhaps these are creations by somebody else, and Aizen just inherits the project? We might never learn the answer. But in any case this sad case might actually give Urahara ideas.
What comes to the episode itself, while it was jolly good indeed, I think these captains really have lived in a peaceful world. They seem far less bloodthirsty than the captains of the later times we are more familiar with. Though I suppose that's an empty point seeing how Aizen, Gin, and Tousen were among those later captains.
Isn't that the whole point of this arc? To explain the origins of the Vizard?Originally Posted by Kraco
Was an awesome episode indeed. That is one of the things that I like about Bleach and that is how these characters all have some back story that makes them the way they are. For example that 69 tattoo on Kensei and Hisagi(dont know if I got the name right)..etc etc. I agree with RyougaZell 100% that the Vaizards are awesome indeed. It was also interesting to see that Kensei as a hollow did not have his zanpaktou on him at all. I just freaking cant wait for the upcoming few more episodes that are left in the arc.
Well, at the moment he appears to just be a Hollow, not a Vizard, and Hollows don't have Zanpaktou's till they become Arrancar.
I think I figured out what happened now, so something or other is gonna turn all these guys into Hollows.
Kisuke is going to try and find a way to turn them back to Shinigami, so he creates the Hougyek....Hogu...the little magic sphere thing, which gives Hollows Shinigami powers. But when he uses it on a Hollow that used to be a shinigami, it makes them into Vizard.
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I somewhat understand more clearly also.
Sure. But Kraco's asking how Aizen got the idea. Did he stumble upon someone else's past work or did he just have a fixation to mix Shinigami's with Hollows and see how powerfull one would get? Makes me wonder also.
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Well, back in the SS arc Aizen mentioned did that whole speech about "there's a limit to how powerful a Shinigami can become. To transcend that limit, he must also attain the powers of a Hollow.
So I'm guessing at this stage and even in the present, he is trying to perfect the process to eventually use it on himself. And that's what I think he was doing in Hueco Mundo. Trying to figure out how to use the Hougyeku to create Vizard, which seem to be the most stable and powerful combination of Shinigami and Hollow, instead of just Arrancar. Once he figures out how to do it, he'll turn himself, Gin and Tousen into Vizard.
And how did he know that? That the limit could be expanded by hollows? Did he study it himself? Did he learn it from someone else's past work and continued it? The origins of his goals is what I'm wondering. Thanks for refreshing my mind.
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Well done Darth. I agree, with one exception, the vizards are nothing more than a failed experiment an Aizen has no intention of making himself into one. Aizen is intent on making himself into the perfect being and being a Vizard is far from perfect. There are far too many drawbacks to being a vizard and come on as if Aizen would ever put a hollow mask on his face.
Yeah these were also answered. He was studying it himself and conducted numerous experiments, he even gave us some examples, like Kaien or whoever it was that Rukia killed (the 10th espada) or creating hollows that could hide their spiritual pressure and destroy shinigami's zanpakuto just by touching them. Not necceasary learn from anyone else but he admitted that, by creating the Hygyoku, Urahara succeeded where he failed thus came the whole scheme to execute Rukia. Origins of his goals, an immense god complex.And how did he know that? That the limit could be expanded by hollows? Did he study it himself? Did he learn it from someone else's past work and continued it? The origins of his goals is what I'm wondering. Thanks for refreshing my mind.
Last edited by Abdula; Wed, 03-11-2009 at 11:53 PM.
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Sapphire is awesome!
During the process where the Vaizard were transforming Ichigo into a Hollow, he still retained his Zanpakutou. Since this appears to be the same process (with the Shinigami only partially turned into Hollow as of this moment) I would think they still have use of their Zanpakutous.
That is not the origin of Ichigo's hollow powers though, by that point Ichigo was already a Vizard he just didn't know it yet. Remember after being attacked by Byakuya back when they first met, Ichigo actually became human and Urahara intentionally turned Ichigo into a hollow, and consequently a vizard in order for him to get his shinigami powers back. It was only after having his little talk with Zangetsu, which in hindsight I guess was him suppressing his inner hollow, did he get his sword back. So I guess whether they can use their zanpakuto or not depends on how far along in the process they are.
Last edited by Abdula; Thu, 03-12-2009 at 12:34 AM.
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I agree. At the moment they also don't seem to be capable of speech anymore. So I suspect if they can't even talk, they aren't capable of swordsmanship either.
Once they become Vizards and regain their sanity they can probably just reform their Zanpaktous.
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