Naruto lost the second Konoha got blown up. I am not saying he is losing the fight, but he already lost the battle.
I've got a feeling Pein has a trick for handling bijuu up his sleeve. Akatsuki has been collecting them for a few years now. He might have been defenseless against Naruto's Sage Mode, but if he has a plan for dealing with the Kyuubi, Pein has won. I don't think Naruto is going to win this fight, even with the Kyuubi's help.
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The village can be rebuilt, but you're right when you say he's already lost.
With the amount of corpses Pain has already left behind there's no way naruto will be able to enjoy his upcoming victory, especially since the most recent developments
I've also been thinking:
Remember a couple of chapters ago when Ebisu was about to die and he had that flashback about how the village slowly began to accept naruto?
Well isn't it a very big possibility that all that hard earned trust will be destroyed when the villagers worst nightmare comes back to life?
I'd like to think that their trust on naruto won't be so easily shaken but with Danzou pulling the strings and half of konoha destroyed things aren't looking too good for our hero
Well, lets think for a second. The ACTUAL kyuubi came in last time and ruined the village. A lot of people who were alive to see it are still alive now. So it really comes down to how much damage was done to the village back then, compared to the hurt Pain unleashed. Right now, I'm thinking things can't get much lower for the village. I'm also thinking Pain is at least as big a threat to the village as the nine tails itself, so most adults who survived this should understand that Naruto had to try and match Pain. Plus, it's not like the village has much more to lose. I'm thinking Naruto'll be fine image wise.
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If Naruto turns into Chuck Norris, then Madara's true identity is Bruce Lee.
I don't think so...I bet a lot of the people still have a great fear of the kyuubi, and seeing something that resembles it might bring back those memories and feelings of loss. I mean, only a handful of people have seen Kyuubi-naruto, and it was surprising to most of them when they first saw it. I think something like this could be used by Danzou...and Pain
Wonder what sasuke will say when he finds out that Pain beat him to his life's goal of destroying the village
Probably whine and moan. I don't know if he would match up well with Pain. I mean he has some help, but Naruto had giant frogs helping him1 I don't even think sasuke has any summons anymore, does he? I guess he always has his sharingan hax.
Defenseless really. Anyway I agree, sage mode was something completely expected and not something Pain was prepared to face but having to to deal with Kyuubi is something I'm sure he expected so he should be well prepared.
Its a moot point but one can easily blame the Kyuubi and consequently Naruto for this as well. It wouldn't be far fetched either. Pain attacked the village to capture Naruto to get the Kyuubi and Naruto wasn't there so he destroyed the village and Naruto conviently shows up after the fact.
The facts can be skewed to fit anyone's argument but the point is the village was destroyed again because of the Kyuubi and Naruto. If Danzo is as crafty as they make him out to be he can easily use this. The village is destroyed under Tsunade's watch and then Naruto the reason the village was attacked in the first place shows up, undergoes this disgusting transformation and goes on a six-tailed rampage. It would almost be too easy for Danzo to seize control under those circumstances.
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Payne vs Sasuke?
finally, Sasuke will get his long deserved ass-whooping.
The chidori has nothing against Payne's pull & push skill. the chidori is based on being able to work around the enemy's counter. Payne counter is just to powerful to dodge, especially since Chidori is still a wasteful jutsu in terms of chackra (maybe now not as much as few years ago, but still, Sasuke can't afford to throw them around).
as for the sharingan shanningans, I don't think he has much to support him, Ameretsu is strong, but again, Payne's magnetism probably can take care of it. and tsukiyomi won't have much effect on a person who sees the world in 6D and is constantly on the brink of death.
Like Naruto, Sasuke's best chance is taijutsu.and this time, I don't see him being able to take out any Payne body, with his weak ass taijutsu style.
any Kirin he might try would probably get countered by some crazy ninja chackra understanding that shields Payne from deus Ex shits (he can summon something to take the hit, he can teleport, maybe he could even isolate his surroundings and avoid the attack completely_
all in all, I don't see Sasuke doing any better than naruo.
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I don't think there will be any problems with people rejecting Naruto or repressed memories of Kyuubi from 20 years ago or any of that other crap that people have said. This is a Shonen manga, not a Lifetime made-for-tv movie.
We already saw how things like this play out when Sasori and Deidara attacked the sand village to capture Gaara. Gaara was considered a monster at first too; feared and hated by the village. But they eventually came to accept him, made him Kazekage, and all showed up to rescue him when he was captured, albeit a little too late. But, that is how Kishi does things. The village isn't going to reject Naruto for being the nine-tails or bringing Pein; they are going to admire him for how strong he has become and for facing Pein alone.
I don't think Danzou needs propaganda at this point to gain control. I believe Tsunade is already dead or dying. Notice how we haven't seen her at all since Naruto started fighting Pein? The last we saw of her was when Naruto got her out of the way and then her hands shriveled up. We haven't seen Sakura, who is with Tsunade, since then either. The only reason I can think why we wouldn't see Sakura cheering on Naruto is because she is "operating" on Tsunade or mourning her, and Kishi doesn't want us to see Sakura's reaction to that yet. It would be more dramatic if, at fights end, someone walks over toward Sakura to find her crying over Tsunade's body.
OMG, guys! OMG!
Hinata just confessed and professed her love for Naruto to the one and only Naruto himself!
OMG! I'm totally freaking out!
Best love story ever.
I'm pretty sure Tsunade is still alive somewhere, since Katsuyu is still around.
No way. Amaterasu is a skill that has no travel time. It doesn't travel from Sasuke to Pain. Pain just starts burning wherever Sasuke looks. Pain isn't pushing or pulling that. Also, I suspect Amaterasu would work against Pain. He has one of two ways to counter, either each body has a separate consciousness, or his rinnegan has some kind of built in counter to Sasuke's type of genjutsu. From what I can tell, Pain's consciousness is shared with all the bodies, so catching one in the genjutsu should effect all the bodies, including the actual Pain. Unless maybe he has some kind of disconnect between himself and the bodies. But considering how what one Pain sees, all Pains see, I suspect he's the "central node" so to speak, and that disconnect wouldn't exist. As far as the Rinnegan itself having a counter to Tsukyomi, we'd just have to wait and see. It certainly had no counter for the genjutsu of Jiraiya's frogs, other than to prevent it from being cast altogether, but that's a counter to everything.
To this day, I have NO CLUE how Sasuke countered either of the techniques.
As far as Naruto being twisted as the cause of all this by the people of Konoha, I'm with rockman and abdula now. People, denizens of a fictional ninja village included, are idiots.
So, I'm confused by something here too. Pain once again stated "That's why I started Atasuki."
Wasn't it really Madara who did or some shit like that?
No it was Pain, Madara never mentioned anything about starting Akatsuki and he himself said Pain was the leader. We still don't know how the two came into contact with each other though, or what their relationship is.
I don't know that I can agree with that, there doesn't seem to be that kind of feedback between the bodies. From how Jiraiya described it each of the Pains see six different points of view so if one were to get caught in a genjutsu the other bodies would of course see what that one see but I doubt they would be affected by it. This is the best example of what I mean.
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Dunno if anyone has seen this one before. I think it's nicely made.
I can see this causing a big rift between the adults of Konoha (those in their 20s and up) and the youth. I think many people, like UB said, are idiots, and would probably just freak out about Naruto, while the younger generation of ninjas that actually know him would, of course defend his actions and courage. I do not know what kind of consequence this would have for the rebuilding of Konoha, but it would be quite interesting if Kishimoto touched on that subject.
Katsuyu has nothing to do with Tsunade's existence, other than being summoned by her. They aren't intertwined; Katsuyu doesn't need Tsunade to be alive to remain in this plain.
Sarutobi's gorilla didn't disappear when he died.
I dunno, the way Sarutobi's monkey disappeared made it seem like he needed Sarutobi to keep him "in this existence". Otherwise, I don't see why he didn't finish off Orochimaru after Sarutobi took his techniques away. He just kind of said, "I'll at least take the sword out of you" and went poof.
"After all, I am strangely colored."
I would also say that the summon must be in contact with the chakra of the summoner, but Pa was still around when Jiraiya died...but then again, it seems he can act independently. Maybe it works like, well, the initial chakra is what is needed to bring them from wherever they are, but its not needed to bind them to the physical world. Or, like, the chakra acts as a beacon that ties them to this plane. Hmmm...not really sure, since in the current battle, Pa is incapacitated, yet the Gama bros. are still around.
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