Naruto Chapter 436

[Rikudo]

Is this really the Rinnegan master aka Nagato? You can see Konan standing on his left side.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_7u9gMhrSm6...0-h/pein+3.jpg

[Tyreal]

It could be. If it is him though he looks very frail and sickly (which might explain why Madara can control him, i.e. Madara knows where Pains real body is and that it is more or less defenseless against a semi capable ninja).

[Rikudo]

Unconfirmed translation:

Inoichi thinks there is a high possibility that Pain is on some high mountain in Konoha.
(because it would make the chakra transfer easier)
Then it's all conversation between Naruto and Tendou.

Pain wishes for peace and justice.
Naruto wishes for peace and justice.
Both have the same target but different means to achieve it.

Finally, the real body Nagato is shown.
Following is the spoiler writer's opinion:
He looks like a skinny Orochimaru, sitting on some four-legged, wheelchair-like thing.
There are a lot of black rods piercing out from his back and his body has a lot of holes/pits.
Konan: Nagato had used up too much chakra.
Nagato, with his mouth bleeding: Peace will arrive soon.

and another pic of cyborg Nagato,

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_7u9gMhrSm6...1600-h/436.jpg

[Marik]

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[darkmetal505]

Bad guys always have to be frail and ill.

[Raven]

It's an interesting concept - both of them have the same goal but are trying to achieve it in different ways.
I wonder about this weapon he speaks of. Or was he just referring to the fact that having all the tailed beasts at your disposal is a weapon in itself?

[Marik]

Or was he just referring to the fact that having all the tailed beasts at your disposal is a weapon in itself?

That's how it sounded to me.

[Pandadice]

his plan reminds me of the way that the dude was gonna create a utopia in the second Naruto movie.

i guess with them revealing the real pain, that means we can expect shikamaru and those other guys to go attack him, and probably kill him. i wonder what will happen to akatsuki and the whole plan and everything after that's done..

[Tobydelaroka]

I was hoping Shikamaru vs Konan on the next chapter...

[Tyreal]

I was hoping Shikamaru vs Konan on the next chapter...

Shikamaru still has a broken leg. So I doubt we will be seeing much combat from him.

[Tobydelaroka]

Shikamaru always get the girls. *sadface*

[Kensee]

Well this went against what I thought, that being Pein/Pain real form being some super powered up ninja. It seems like his body is frail, but he gots kick ass control of his chakara and has plenty of it.

I think he's planning to use all the beast and combine them into one ultimate weapon. Or maybe hes gonna absorb all the beast and use the combination as a new body for him? ala oro from the good old days haha.

Oh well, interesting development. It would be interesting if the leaf village ended up raiding the tower, fighting Konan and killing pein.

[shinta|hikari]

He was talking about a cycle of war and short periods of peace. It can't be a new body if he mentioned that it will be "used" by people when they forget the fear, unless he is willing to become a tool or object that can be manipulated by whoever possesses his body.

[Death BOO Z]

can one of the bad guys not be so dead and feminine looking?
the yahiko payne body looked perfect for the job, why go and ruin it?

well, at least his plan is half decent, talking about short periods of peace between people bombing each other with chackra nukes (You can say that in the month or two after nuking Japan, the world was at a state of 'let's try not to fight anymore'), it makes more sense than believing having a mega-weapon will make people understand (I'm looking at you, Oppenheimer and Nobel).

still, I'm pretty pissed that they ruined Payne's image.

edit: my guess is that Payne's nuke is the same attack that got the village, only by using the demons chackra, it'll get much bigger. so he creates a body out of the tailed beast and puts an antenna in him, then he's able to use his chackra for the repel blast.

[Patriot]

Yeah, its sort of a let down. Unless the frail looking body is just a kind of metamorphasis. When he's giving out his Charka kind of like Choji at high levels he loses weight. But then after the recievers (or the opposite) are removed he looks normal. I hope that is the case and he is kickass fighter. But i was right about the tower thing and how they would figure it out. Would have been nicer to be wrong at this point tho.

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

Yeah, its sort of a let down. Unless the frail looking body is just a kind of metamorphasis. When he's giving out his Charka kind of like Choji at high levels he loses weight. But then after the recievers (or the opposite) are removed he looks normal. I hope that is the case and he is kickass fighter. But i was right about the tower thing and how they would figure it out. Would have been nicer to be wrong at this point tho.

so being able to decimate the entire village of konoha while you sit safely on a mountaintop is a letdown? If he was another token badass villain he'd be strong himself... which I hope he isn't. I've had about enough of Pain, and I think Kishi has too from the way this is heading.

[Honoko]

"He starts monologuing! He starts, like, this prepared speech about how feeble I am compared to him. How inevitable my defeat is, how the world will soon be his, yadda-yadda-yadda...Yammerin'! I mean, the guy has me on a platter, and he won't shut up!"

That's what I was thinking while reading this chapter.

[animus]

The last 2 pages were the only pages that mattered. The first 15 or so pages were completely fodder and useless.

[Abdula]

The last 2 pages were the only pages that mattered. The first 15 or so pages were completely fodder and useless.

I completely agree. Its really nice to know Kishi will never change though, his idea of suspense is quite hysterical and he makes it seriously hard to believe that Konoha's ninjas can do anything. First there was Sakura simply knocking out a summon that a bunch of other nameless ninjas couldn't do anything against, Konohamaru taking out a Pain body when so many others couldn't and then with all the other clues they have, the village has to be destroyed and countless people killed just so Shikamaru can use the line "bring the corpses" for them to put it all together, unbelievable.

still, I'm pretty pissed that they ruined Payne's image

Not ruined per se just balanced. Its both a good thing and a bad thing but it is what Kishimoto does, just look at Itachi.

I wonder about this weapon he speaks of. Or was he just referring to the fact that having all the tailed beasts at your disposal is a weapon in itself?

I really don't know or care that much really because we know it'll probably never get to that point but this isn't the first time they have mentioned some ultimate technique/weapon. If memory serves, we've heard Madara talk about "the machine" which is why he needs the bijuu, most importantly the Kyuubi along with Sasuke's sharingan and when Jiraiya first mentioned the key Minato left for Naruto, he also mentioned "that jutsu" something Minato left behind for Naruto to complete and to do so he would need full control of the Kyuubi's power. It could all be the same thing, who knows...

[Assertn]

Abdula, I don't say this to you often enough, but shut the fuck up. Seriously. I lost a lot of steam on the Naruto series too, but I keep up for the sake of curiosity, not so I can act like a smug bitch on the forums.

Yes you said every week for the past 10 weeks that Kishi isn't a great writer. Thanks for reminding me.

That being said, I think this chapter actually fulfilled its purpose pretty well. Its goal was clearly to force the readers to sympathize with this antagonist that, for the past half year, we've been trained to hate. It shows how little we really know about the perspectives of others, and how good vs evil is a fallacy in a world where confrontation runs rampant. Everyone has a reason for what they do, and who's to say that their reason is more valid?

Ending the chapter with Nagato all frail and vulnerable further drives this point home, imo. Of course, most narutards just want to see villains with huge bulging muscles that can projectile balls of energy and destroy mountains with their glare.