Kraco 
Pathetically weak i suppose.Originally Posted by DarthEnder
Pathetically weak i suppose.
I don't know how weak he thinks she is. She took on Kabuto and didn't get her ass kicked and he's supposedly Kakashi's level.
Medical jutsu + shitloads of poison attacks.
She didn't "take on" Kabuto. She tried to get him with a surprise attack, and Kabuto literally caught Shizune's poisoned dart in mid-air, with his bare hand. Tsunade told Shizune to calm down.
Oh, I read through the manga, and they did fight. While Jiraiya and Orochimaru were fighting. She got her ass kicked after making 0 effective attacks, and in about 6 panels.
Last edited by poopdeville; Mon, 02-16-2009 at 03:24 AM.
Hmm, I should watch that again. All I remember is her shooting needles at him and him blocking with his forehead protector and then her breathing a cloud of poison gas.
yeah, if kabuto didn't have his forehead protector, he would've been hit with a poison dart
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
I totally forgot I had posted here... duh
My point maybe was not well explained.
I meant like... Clan members may know their weaknesses, but they try to cancel them in ways known to their clan, like Hyuuga's Kaiten. But do we see a Hyuuga learning any ninjutsu based on elements? If Jyuuken was proved useless against rubber guy... then use fire jutsu on him.
Kiba... "wow, I can't smell... I know, I'll use my Tsuga to break the trees and make the wind blow"... uhh... wouldn't a Fuuton Jutsu work better and use less stamina and chackra?
That is my point. Not that they are total arrogants who ignore their weakness. More like they don't bother learning techniques outside their own clans.
I think a large part of this is that ninja techniques are pretty tightly held. Think about it - we know there are clans that are basicly exclusive practitioners of their basic techniques (heck, Hyuga, whole branch family basicly there to help keep their secrets), forbidden techniques that you aren't supposed to learn, rival villages who don't want to give away their secrects to others, ninja dedicated to retreving bodies just in cast something can be learned from them...
The impression I've gotten is that the creation of truly new techniques is very rare, so a ninja is unlikely to create a new ability to fill in a gap in their existing ones. So they look to what others can teach them instead. And even in a close knit village like Konoha, those who can and will teach them are often going to be their own elders, who use similar techniques but with much greater refinement. And those elders can't teach what they don't know. And even when they can get someone else to teach them, it has to be something they can master.
Take Kiba for example - he hasn't had all the training Naruto had to master chakra control and Naruto needed that to master elemental manipulation, and even with the billion clone technique it took a while. So it would probably take impractically long for him to learn a wind elemental technique starting from scratch. But he already understands the basics of dog ninjitsus, so would have a much easier time picking up additional tricks there.
Sasuke goes the other why - he already was familar with elemental manipulation from his work with fire. So it was comparitively easy for Kakashi to train him in Chidori, since it was just another form of elemental manipulation. But if Sasuke wanted to learn Kiba's techniques with animals, it would take far longer since he has no base to start with.
So while most ninja probably do work to fill in their blind spots, its probably a lot harder to master an area you aren't experienced in them it is to pick up a few new tricks with something you already know. So as a consiquence, we see the few new tricks far more often then the major addition to a skill set.
Bah, that ended up far more longwinded then I intended...
Sasuke also has the Sharingan. Presumably, he can learn any technique he's physically capable of learning (that is, anything but bloodline abilities and, possibly, elements he has no affinity for) just by watching someone perform it. Notice he's always got the Sharingan up when he uses Chidori? Probably because he learned it by watching Kakashi do it. Which is also how Kakashi "the Copy Ninja" apparently learned a lot of his tricks.
It was mentioned back when Sasuke first learned the technique that the core of Chidori was based around a straight thrust attack and sharingen was needed to read the enemy's responses well enough to get a straight forward attack to land. Which is why, I would assume, you always see Sasuke having it up when he uses Chidori. But certainly sharingen would have made it easier for him to learn the technique. However, to the best of my understanding, sharingen lets him see exactly how the technique is done - if he can't do the same thing though, he still isn't going to be able to copy it. Hence the fact that it can't copy bloodline limits. So if he had been unable to perform elemental manipulation, he would have had to master that before he could learn chidori even if he saw it with sharingen. As it was, even with sharingen, he still spent a month working on it before the fight with Gaara.
Was it ever confirmed that ninjas can simply just learn other elements?
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I was under the impression you can. Your 'element' is just the jutsus you learn the easiest.
I mean... we have seen Kakashi do all five elements, yet he said his element was just Raiton.
And even if you could only do one... what... does the Hyuuga, Inuzuka, Yamanaka, Akimichi, etc have no elements? They never use elemental jutsus.
They already explained that a bloodline limit is the combination of two elemental chakras. So they Hyuuga do use elemental chakra. Kishimoto has put off explaining how things like medical jutsu and the shadow bind work. Still, there might be a "shadow element" that hasn't been properly introduced. Cloning seems to be "elemental" -- there's the water clone and earth clone and wood clone -- and the shadow clone? The shadow bind might use it too.
But I don't think you can learn an element outside of your "affinity". Kakashi might be an exception, since the Sharingan might give him two more elements. Kakashi himself said that most jounin can use at least two, but also said that using more than 3 was very very rare (when he fought Kakuzu). Maybe learning them is so time consuming as to be pointless, since you could pull off a higher level attack with your talents in less time (like in Hunter x Hunter)
Kakashi said being able to combine two elements to form a new one is a bloodline limit, that doesn't mean every bloodline limit is a combination of two elements. What was particularly telling is that as an example of a bloodline limit Kakashi specifically mentioned Haku. Not Neji who Naruto is familiar with, not Kimimaro or even Sasuke and the sharingan that Kakashi himself has. He specifically mentioned someone who had the exact same type of bloodline limit that Yamato does, one that is born from the mixing of two elements. Perhaps I'm reading too much into this but I think its very likely there are different types of bloodline limits.
Last edited by Abdula; Tue, 02-17-2009 at 10:24 PM.
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So it wasn't then, so we just don't know. Btw I don't want to get into this again but we've only seen Kakashi use 3 elements in canon material. Lightning, water and most people count earth too even though I've said that I don't.
As for the other clans I just don't know. Its been hinted that Ino's clan and Shikamaru's clan use some form of light-dark/yin-yang manipulation and medical jutsus are thought to also use some form of yin/yang manipulation but nothing has been confirmed so its all just specualtion.
Oh and as Naruto has proven thus far, there is alot you can do without using any nature manipulation whatsoever.
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So we don't take this too far... Im not saying they are important, heck... all Clan members don't use them. I just wished they did not just center on them and learned other things. Lee is an exception because he can't use them, but what stops all this clan members to learn techniques outside their own clans?
Kishimoto. There are alot of interesting possibilities he has yet to explore which I guess is why the studio likes to play around so much with their filler material, they just go too far off the reservation sometimes.
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Oh boy...
- The animation was bad
- The subbing was bad
- The enemies were weird
- Konoha looked like a village of losers
Probably the biggest failure in the whole episode was Hinata's performance.
Yeah ok, so she's no Neji but here's a thought:
- Jyuuken doesn't work? How about using some of those nifty ninja tools you learned about in the academy? Don't just keep using a fucking attack that you know doesn't work ffs...
I'm so done with these fucking fillers...
I just couldn't bring myself to watching this ep until half a week later. It's just so boring....
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
I wonder how clan members graduate from the Academy if they never bother to learn techniques outside their own clan.
And on that topic... how the hell did Lee graduate?
Kishimoto made a big thing of Naruto failing three times for not making a bunshin. The only other ninja to make Bunshins has been Sakura. None of the clan members have ever use them.
Yes... its more fun to discuss how bad this clan members are when crippled from their clan techniques instead of the episode itself.
What also I find weird is that every elemental user seems to have their own version of the shadow clone. From Water Clones, to Wood Clones to now Crystal Clones. It's alot of fancy words for what is essentially all thing-that-looks-like-me-and-dies-in-one-hit-jutsu. I wish they would explain differences between them because they always do that and I'm like "why didn't you just learn Shadow Clone?"It's a pretty big plothole honestly. I mean, granted, graduation is pretty freeform and if a kid was obviously a taijutsu genius while being deficient everywhere else he could still probably get a pass.
But wasn't Lee shitty in everything before he got into Gai's squad? So like you said, how the hell did Lee graduate in the first place?
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