Naruto Chapter 434

[Abdula]

We're having a good discussion here, try not to ruin it by being a douchebag ok?

Wow. Do you have to react that way to absolutely everything I post. I think my posts would be much easier for you to understand if you didn't have such as extremely negative perception of me. You're too easily offended and you take things way too personally.

Anyway basically what I meant is that you simply just don't get what I'm saying, which is true enough, and I don't think its worth discussing but if you insist I'll give it one last try.

Seems a little lame to explain something in a shonen series by saying "because that's what usually happens in the genre"

And there's a big difference between knowing you have a power and actually using it

Like I said its a very simple concept. Just think of it more realistically. In life you don't have to be taught how to do something or even know exactly what you're doing to be able to do it. Some things you are just able to do naturally and some things you pick up or start doing without even noticing. As far as the shonen thing goes I don't know how you didn't get that. There are plenty of examples of shonen heroes using powers they don't even know they have, Ichigo's Getsuga is another example. Like I said its a simple concept.

All you had to do was go back a couple of pages here

Surely if you just went back a couple of pages before that you would see that before then Naruto was attempting furiously to summon Gamabunta and was unable to do so, he even attempted to grab onto the walls by himself and when that failed he made a conscious effort to try and get to the Kyuubi and that is how he ended up there in the first place. Plus like the link I posted showed the Kyuubi didn't volunteer his help, like the Kyuubi said Naruto pretty much blackmailed him.

He didn't even know what the kyuubi was and yet he found himself consciously talking to it in its "domain" ( or whatever that is )

Yes he knew what the Kyuubi was he just didn't know how to get to its power, which is what Jiraiya was trying to teach him to do. The title of the chapter right before that one is "Key" and its all about Jiraiya trying to find the key to Naruto accessing the Kyuubi's power which turned out to be strong emotion.

And that second page just makes my point, why would he summon the kyuubi and then tell it to fuck off? If anything it means the more the seal degenerates the more free will the fox has over naruto's body

Like Yamato explained and the Kyuubi implied in that link I posted. Naruto has pretty much been dependent on the Kyuubi since he became a ninja and when he is in a pinch he naturally draws on the Kyuubi's power. In this case he was just overpowered and pretty much humiliated by Sasuke and so he did what he normally does, he started drawing on the Kyuubi's power like he did the first time he fought Sasuke and in the battle right before that scene when he fought Orochimaru. The only thing that happened here was that Yamato had just told Naruto that he was the one who hurt Sakura so when he remembered that he caught himself and stopped before he went too far so he wouldn't hurt his allies again. If the Kyuubi could simply do what it wants and take over without Naruto's permission it certainly wouldn't have needed to essentially beg Naruto to use its power.

PS the seal is not degenerating. Old theory that was suggested by a few people, let it go, we know better now. The seal is designed to gradually allow Naruto to access more and more of the Kyuubi's chakra and the only reason he is getting overpowered by the Kyuubi now is because Jiraiya manually loosened the seal and released more of the Kyuubi's chakra than Naruto is able to handle. If you just reread most of those older chapters you would understand most of what I'm talking about and save me the trouble of having to type all this.

I beg to differ

Like i said it seems that the kyuubi's power over naruto has gotten bigger over time so if he found himself unconscious and with almost no chakra to the point it would be life threatening i can totally picture the nine tails coming out.

It won't, not unless he wants it to. I just mentioned why Naruto is now able to use more of the Kyuubi's chakra than he was before and the only reason we have been seeing more and more of the Kyuubi was because the stronger the opponent Naruto faced the more he had to depend on the Kyuubi's power. The very reason Kakashi had Yamato there when Naruto was learning the wind rasengan was so Naruto wouldn't be depending on the Kyuubi and as such would learn to use his own power.

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Btw, that is not funny and that is exactly what I'm talking about when I said you guys are too immature.