Naruto Chapter 434

[poopdeville]

Settle down nerds. I say what I want, and LOL at what I like. You should do the same. That means giving everybody the same respect.

Anyway, they already said what causes Sages to turn into a toad. If they draw in too much natural energy (guess what that Pein is potentially drawing in), and don't have enough human chakra or concentrating on controlling it, they turn into a damn toad.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/410/15/

The toad oil has nothing to do with that. It's just dangerous to use toad oil because natural energy turns you into a toad.

"Those who can't fully control natural energy will turn into a toad"
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/410/13/

This is why Jiraiya looked like a toad in Sage mode. And Naruto doesn't -- because he is better at concentrating.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/410/17/

[aSilentSearch]

haha hilarious archangel

[Sidnne]

Did he really say Pain was going to turn into a toad and did you really agree with him. Now thats the kind of crap that makes me wonder why I even bother to read these threads. Do you guys even know why Naruto turns into a frog in the first place. Freaking moronic ideas.

I think most of us here wonder why you even bother to read these threads.

[Abdula]

haha hilarious archangel

I pity you.

Settle down nerds. I say what I want, and LOL at what I like. You should do the same. That means giving everybody the same respect.

Anyway, they already said what causes Sages to turn into a toad. If they draw in too much natural energy (guess what that Pein is potentially drawing in), and don't have enough human chakra or concentrating on controlling it, they turn into a damn toad.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/410/15/

The toad oil has nothing to do with that. It's just dangerous to use toad oil because natural energy turns you into a toad.

"Those who can't fully control natural energy will turn into a toad"
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/410/13/

This is why Jiraiya looked like a toad in Sage mode. And Naruto doesn't -- because he is better at concentrating.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/410/17/

Good, very good now considering all we know about Pain do you think there is any chance of him turning into a frog?

I think most of us here wonder why you even bother to read these threads.

Indeed the majority of you are far too childish and far too ignorant.

[Sidnne]

Indeed the majority of you are far too childish and far too ignorant.

Because only the most mature and brilliant minds should be posting on an anime forum...

[Abdula]

Well if that were true you certainly wouldn't be here now would you Sidnne. I just think it would be nice if you guys put a little thought into what you post. Right now it seems like you guys are a bunch of idiotic high school kids having a circle jerk, stroking each others egos and trying to be cool and I just don't see how a post like Archangel's can be considered anything but childish, ignorant and idiotic..

Anyway as far as Pain turning into a toad, like poopdeville posted, there are really only two reasons why people turn into a toad. The first is lack of control and the second is lack of chakra. Considering the jutsus Pain has used thus far and the controlling multiple bodies and such I think we can safely say he doesn't lack control and as far as I can tell Pain has more chakra than anyone else we've seen. The guy seems to have a limitless supply so with all that, turning into a toad isn't likely and the guy seems to have some of knowledge of sage chakra and based on what Shikamaru's dad and a few others have said its seems like, once again, Naruto was the only totally clueless one.

Oh and just for the sake of saying it, this is the biggest and most significant battle we've seen in the series so far. Pain just destroyed Konoha and probably killed Kakashi, not to mention that he had already killed Jiraiya, so turning him into a toad at this point is nothing short of moronic and it would be horrible writing and it certainly wouldn't be fun.

Consider this little Abdula love fest over.

[Sidnne]

Well if that were true you certainly wouldn't be here now would you Sidnne.

Oh snap!

Got any mom jokes for me?

[poopdeville]

And why do you assume that Pein will be able to control Natural energy? Jiraiya studied the technique for years and still deformed.

Controlling natural energy is sage mode. Unless you think that being "Sage of the Six Paths" means Pein knows Senjutsu, or how to control natural energy, if he absorbs natural energy, he is screwed.

This isn't as implausible as some make it out to be. It isn't going to happen though. Oda could pull it off. I doubt Kishimoto can.

[Assertn]

I think most of us here wonder why you even bother to read these threads.

the wise man must lower himself to the commoners in order to see value in his own superiority.

[Abdula]

And why do you assume that Pein will be able to control Natural energy? Jiraiya studied the technique for years and still deformed.

Controlling natural energy is sage mode. Unless you think that being "Sage of the Six Paths" means Pein knows Senjutsu, or how to control natural energy, if he absorbs natural energy, he is screwed.

This isn't as implausible as some make it out to be. It isn't going to happen though. Oda could pull it off. I doubt Kishimoto can.

Well as the link says its all about balance, for you to even be able to turn into a toad in the first place you have to absorb more natural energy than the physical and spiritual energy you already have aka chakra. So basically what I said above is that I don't think the natural energy Pain has absorbed from Naruto thus far is anywhere near the amount of chakra he has so there isn't any chance of him turning into a toad, plus we have no idea how his absorption technique even works.

[Sidnne]

the wise man must lower himself to the commoners in order to see value in his own superiority.

“The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.”

-Shakespeare

[ViperTM]

Going back to my theory, I do not believe that the pains are actually sharing the same chakra. the one controlling them all may indeed have a vast amount however it does not mean that he is using his own in their attacks. Case in point, they do not use chakra in the same manner and when one has used most of thiers they are not all weakened as a result.

One other thing, currently Naruto is being held immobile and is aware that his chakra is being absorbed. Scince he is not moving it wouldnt be hard for him to begin gathering more natural energy and shunting it to the absorbing pain. Once again I am led to believe that while they all may be having their chakra's boosted by the one in control I do not think that they are all connected as much as the kagebushins are so if one goes toad it will be only that one.

[skindred]

I know this is a bit off but this feels just like the fight between naruto and kiba. Naruto used his kage bunshins well during their fight and it seems to me that the ones affected by Pain's jutsu are the ones he only sees, or aware of because the other guy is still standing beside him when the toads were blown off. Or is it just in this chapter that this is happening?

[Tyreal]

Going back to my theory, I do not believe that the pains are actually sharing the same chakra. the one controlling them all may indeed have a vast amount however it does not mean that he is using his own in their attacks. Case in point, they do not use chakra in the same manner and when one has used most of thiers they are not all weakened as a result.

Why wouldn't it be possible for the real Pain to be using Natural Energy meaning he has a near infinite supply and the reason his body's seem to "run out" of chakra is due to the fact that the chakra recievers become overloaded or need to "cool down" so to speak.

[Abdula]

Going back to my theory, I do not believe that the pains are actually sharing the same chakra. the one controlling them all may indeed have a vast amount however it does not mean that he is using his own in their attacks.

I think we can be sure that he is using his own chakra in their attacks. In Jiraiya's battle with Pain he confirmed that those bodies were opponent's he had already faced before and those abilities definitely aren't their own. Konoha pretty much confirmed this when they discovered the chakra receivers.

Case in point, they do not use chakra in the same manner and when one has used most of thiers they are not all weakened as a result.

This seems to suggest otherwise, when God realm used that huge Shinra Tensei to destroy Konoha all the other bodies were weakened as a result.

One other thing, currently Naruto is being held immobile and is aware that his chakra is being absorbed. Since he is not moving it wouldn't be hard for him to begin gathering more natural energy and shunting it to the absorbing pain.

Naruto's sage chakra isn't just natural energy, two thirds of the sage chakra is actually Naruto's own energy and Pain absorbed that also so I doubt Naruto is even conscious.

Once again I am led to believe that while they all may be having their chakra's boosted by the one in control I do not think that they are all connected as much as the kagebushins are so if one goes toad it will be only that one.

I think they are certainly more connected than shadow clones are, not only do they share the same pool of chakra but as we already know from the battle with Jiraiya, they share each others' pov and from the link I posted above it seems that they all share the same mind. It doesn't matter which body is actually speaking Nagato is always the one talking.

Or is it just in this chapter that this is happening?

He is just directing his attacks at specific opponents here, as we saw when he destroyed Konoha or during his fight with Kakashi that technique usually just forms a sphere around his body.

Why wouldn't it be possible for the real Pain to be using Natural Energy meaning he has a near infinite supply and the reason his body's seem to "run out" of chakra is due to the fact that the chakra recievers become overloaded or need to "cool down" so to speak.

Or it could simply be a matter of their being a limit to just how much chakra he can pump into a single body at a time.

[Archangel]

Naruto's sage chakra is just natural energy, two thirds of the sage chakra is actually Naruto's own energy and Pain absorbed that also so I doubt Naruto is even conscious.

Where did you get this from?

That is just this chapter because he is directing his attacks at specific opponent as we saw when he destroyed Konoha or during his fight with Kakashi that technique usually just forms a sphere around his body.

Not rly. It's usually more like a force push, like seen here

The only time it took the form of a sphere was when he destroyed the village

[Abdula]

Where did you get this from?

Its right in Poopdeville's link

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/410/15/

Not rly. It's usually more like a force push, like seen here

The only time it took the form of a sphere was when he took out the village

Here when he is defending against Kakashi raikiri's, its in the form of a sphere and it even destroys the wall behind him. I think it happens again sometime after that too when he gets attacked by multiple opponents.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/420/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/421/13/

[Archangel]

Its right in Poopdeville's link

I meant why do you assume he's already absorbed all of his sage and normal chakra?

I don't think he would be dumb enough to even try to suck the slightest amount of his normal chakra since that's just begging for the kyuubi to come out and wreak havoc

[Abdula]

The Kyuubi's chakra doesn't just come out by itself or when Naruto runs out of chakra, like Jiraiya told Naruto when they first met Naruto draws out the Kyuubi by himself he just didn't know what he was doing or how to do it.

Secondly I don't think you understand what sage chakra is. Its three different energies combined to form a new chakra, basically he draws energy from three different sources and forms a new chakra. Just like the toad explained normally ninjas use physical energy and spiritual energy to form chakra, with sage chakra you use physical, spiritual and natural energy to form chakra instead, so if Pain absorbed Naruto's sage chakra he didn't absorb just natural energy he absorbed sage chakra. Which is yet another reason why he wouldn't be turning into a frog, the chakra he absorbed from Naruto is already balanced.

He has absorbed Naruto's normal chakra its just that in the case of normal chakra Naruto can just combine his spiritual and natural energy and make more chakra anytime he wants but if he wants to use sage chakra and go sage mode he will have to reabsorb natural energy to add to it, to make sage chakra.

-Get me?

[Archangel]

The Kyuubi's chakra doesn't just come out by itself or when Naruto runs out of chakra, like Jiraiya told Naruto when they first met Naruto draws out the Kyuubi by himself he just didn't know what he was doing or how to do it.

Not always, think back when the fox cloak first appeared.

There's already been more than a few occasions where the kyuubi came out on its out to protect naruto's life ( and consequently its own )