That's got to be the dumbest analogy I've ever heard.Originally Posted by DarthEnder
Anyways, Kenpachi having a bankai is totally against his character. I'm not sure if we'll ever even see him have some type of communication with his weapon, or achieve bankai. Though whose to say, if that's even his shikai (but that's another whole stupid argument).
Yeah, at this point I'm pretty much given up on any speculation of Ken's bankai. I must say that they've explained Nnoitra's motivations and character pretty well near the end, and I can't help but say that it was one of the best deaths this arc, heck I felt pity for him (ironically being pitied on is what made him so pissed off to begin with lol). Very well executed and the music fit wwll.
As for Kenpachi's 'powerup'. I would call it a change of technique rather than any actual powerup, I don't doubt holding a sword with two hands makes the blow stronger, but i'm pretty sure it did nothing to change his Reitsu level, if it did, why isn't every soul society captain doing it? (I think Hitsugaya and captain general holds two hands? other than that, who else?). It brought the fight to an end, if rather anti-climatic.
I also wonder why Kenpachi never used Kendo on ichigo in their first fight. Oh well. If he did, bleach wouldve been the shortest anime ever
Also, any idea on Nnoitra' relationship with Nel? Absolute hate? Some kind of liking? Obsession? The ending with the eye contact kinda threw me off.
Last edited by DeathscytheVII; Thu, 01-15-2009 at 01:16 AM.
Of course you'd think that. You're a martial arts fanboy.
Zaraki is probably the only Captain without any unique abilities, so the old man made him go through Kendo training to further boost his physical attacks, which has proven to be quite effective, and devastating.
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Power-up? I thought it was just a "ok, I guess no more screwing around now" kind of thing. He didn't 'charge,' go through a transformation, or anything like that, so I wouldn't say that it was a power-up in the same way taking off the eye-patch isn't a power-up. He wears an eye-patch and bells on his hair to make himself weaker, not so he can power-up. He's probably left handed too.
I suppose in a way, it's nice that expectations for this show has fallen so low that this kinda crap get pass off as being a good episode.
I suppose Kenpachi and the other captain are like godsend compare to listening to Orihime cry "Kurosaki-kun" for 10 min while we watch him get kicked around.
In my opinion, the reason Kubo gave Kenpachi this kinda of "powerup" instead of shikai is simply because he ran out of ideas. Pretty similar to how the first half of this arc was pretty much a copy and paste of the Soul Society arc.
How does the character strength level work anyhow?
Ichigo Shikai win vs "full" strength Kenpachi
Regular Kenpachi beat Nnoitra
Nnoitra half killed Chad in like one hit
Grimjow regular form effortlessly beat the crap out of Bankai Ichigo
Nnoitra is at least as strong as Grimjow
So even after all of his training and screen time, chad is still a pretty much useless character.
It works exactly like the plot needs it to work. Even if this was realistic, you couldn't judge things solely based on how someone fared against someone else in the past, or if you mixed in more people, how they fared against others and then try to draw conclusions from that for totally new fights. For Ichigo it works the least of all, because he's a total plot device. I bet now he wouldn't beat even Rukia with his shikai, though in the past he indeed beat Kenpachi and a bunch of lieutenants.
Kenpachi and the other captains are indeed like godsend compared to bloody Ichigo who first needs to lose two fights to gain a new powerup to win one fight.
Clearly you're just a butt hurt nerd because you didn't like didn't how something went down in your anime. Quit being a douche.
There's been discussions about how the power levels in Bleach don't make sense. They don't follow the DBZ, my power level is higher than yours. They don't even follow rock, paper, scissors. Like Kraco said they win based on who Kubo wants to win even though it makes absolutely no sense.
Lol this takes me back to some nostalgic discussions on the manga forum
FYI, power levels don't make even a little bit of sense on Bleach
hmm im not so sure they dotn apply so much, i certainly agree that its having a percieved higher power level doesnt mean that such a person will win.
But look at ichigo vs ken i would like to think the reason ichigo won this fight was more to do with surprise, like ken went there expecting somone to be crushed by his aura alone, the fight was relativley quick (if you look at in a real time kinda way) there wasnt much actual combat, each hit elevated the power level in that fight because of ichigos desire to rescue rukia. I would like to think that ichigo only stood a chance because ken handicaps himself so much that he waits for the other guy to hurt him first before responding with a higher force, the main problem with that is ofc ichigo is the main character and has higher power reserves than even ichigo expected.
... against an espada, although he couldnt have been sure, he must have had a rough idea due to the fact that he defeated tousen who then defected (and surly must have taken a high up role in HM) so the power lvls must be close to a captain level.
and as for ichigo vs nnoitra well its clear ichigo was not expecting another fight and was pretty beat up by that point so he had no chance to win, also vs chad nnoitra is almost the oppostie of ken almost throwing out his hardest hits 1st in order to take out the opposition. The difference is ken is looking for a fight, nnoitra is looking for a kill.
I liked the episode a lot, yet I don't remember this Dual Wield thing on the manga. Maybe I forgot for what comes next...
The new ending is awesome... and full of spoilers like usual... lol...
I hope they really flesh out the next arc well (they kind of have to since they're so close to where the manga is) I felt it was one of the best parts of Bleach and it would suck for it to get crapped all over.
In other news Kenpachi's method of victory made sense to me. I don't think people who lived and died by their sword fighting skills would have bothered inventing and using all the different techniques and styles that comprise Kendo if they could have gotten equal results from just training their arm strength alone and gone into battles randomly swinging their swords around one handed. There's generally a better way to do anything than just throwing power at the problem until the desired outcome has been achieved.
eh stfu?...they're just having fun thinking about karate and super powers, leave them be already wtf.
And I don't know jack sh** about karate, but if anyone was too much of a petrified wooden boy to at least give it a shot regardless of what others think, then THAT's the kind of silly sh** that needs a beatin'...
No I'm not an ass. I'm just trying to reflect on the anime like this is a forum for anime? By the way, Kendo is gay and that powerup was bs lol..
I just can't agree that kendo is a bullshit power-up because a person like Zaraki can obviously empower his swings when using two hands. The difference is very noticable since I practice kendo as well (in another topic).
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Yes, two hands makes swing stronger.
That doesn't mean its not the lamest powerup in the series so far, in a series well known for its "wtf was that?" powerups.\
In fact this is Chad's "Super hand, now grow OTHER super hand!" power up all over again, only more mundane.
I quite liked the powerup.. It fits 100% with his personality of limiting himself.
He knows a better way of swinging his sword, but he chooses not to. And I wouldn't just say it's the fact that he grips it with two hands, but the methods within the kendo that get brought into play.
I buy it.
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I don't think the issue is about buying the power up or not.
Sure, it's definitely much more plausible than numerous other alternative that Kubo could have came up with.
The issue is that it doesn't fit the rest of the series, most of the characters moves we have seen so far are hardly subtle, hell even the "Assassin" shikai leave the giant butterfly mark. My whole problem with this whole "power up" is that i really truly believe Kubo just got lazy and decide just to go with this approach instead of actually thinking up of something for Kenpachi.
I mean, Kenpachi has been introduced for a long time now and what has Kubo REALLY done with him so far? A lot of time has been wasted on development every god damn minor shinigami we've come across.
It's finally time for Kenpachi to return and Kubo did a cock-tease by delaying his fight to be the last of the 3 captains. The actual fight finally came and instead of doing something interesting, he fucking make Kenpachi switch from 1 hand to 2 hand for the sake of "Kendo" that manage to power Kenpachi up so much that he beat the fully release 5th rank Espada to the ground.
edit: on second thought, maybe it's also because I'm just annoyed that an entire arc is dedicated to saving Orihime and it somehow seems like that she is becoming the main female lead in the show.
Last edited by Dark Dragon; Sun, 01-18-2009 at 07:26 AM.
This kind of a "power-up" was just the right amount for Kenpachi to beat someone like Nnoitra. Nnoitra was only the number five Espada, nothing more. And Kenpachi is supposed to be once in a century legend. If he had had any more trouble or had needed anything more than switch to two hands, he would have become just another Ichigo for whom no manner of fancy power-up is ever enough (because Ichigo sucks at fighting).
The entire Hueco Mundo arc is basically a mirrored version of the soul society arc and you wait until one of the _many_ powerups in the series to call him a lazy writer?
I don't think anything major would have suited Kenpachi and it would have screwed his entire character over if he suddenly had some exotic technique. Ken is simple.
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Well, Zaraki having some kind of sword skill wouldn't be a big surprise, since all he relies on is his sword and physical assets. Along with Kendo, that could prove to be quite a deadly combination.
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