Well that's one of the many reasons why it would be great if Kubo went into more detail about Zaraki's past
Well that's one of the many reasons why it would be great if Kubo went into more detail about Zaraki's past
It's not. Using your Shikai requires knowing your swords name, even if you only do it once.Originally Posted by Artris
Kenpachi has never spoken to his zanpaktou. Or at least, not until after he lost to Ichigo.
But that sword is in Shikai form
Kempachi is the exception since he's able to release it by using spirit pressure instead of "getting to know it"
Where does he say that that is his Shikai? I would like some evidence of this.
The proof i have that it's NOT his shikai would be Episode 38 subbed by Lunar.
This is what Zaraki tells Itchigo in four sentences that should be pretty clear that it's not a shikai.
"My soul slayer ain't got a name"
"My sword is butt-ass naked"
"It ain't got a sealed form to begin with"
"This is my soul slayer's true form"
So what i get out from that is he has never ever talked to his zanpaktou. It has NEVER been in first one form and then he has released it with his spirit pressure only to have get stuck in that form. It doesn't even mention anything about his spirit pressure being so high that he forced a release so the fact is that people just seem to pull bullshit from their asses and calling it fact. If it where to have been released because his spirit pressure being so high, it would have a form. It would first have it's original form and then it's released form even if it gets stuck in this form, just like Itchigo's which first had it's original form and then the shikai which for some reason it's stuck in.
Also people usually say things like "just like Itchigo". But the fact is he got his sword like that in connection with his Vizard transformation. His spirit pressure was never that hi. His sword was like that wen he fought Ikkaku. His sword was like that when he first encountered Zaraki, and he couldn't even cut him. His spirit pressure didn't go up until he encountered Zangetsu after getting struck down by Zaraki. So there is no similarity's between Zaraki's and Itchigo's zanpaktou's.
So far i have never ever been shown any kind of proof to support this claim that Zaraki has forced his zanpaktou into shikai using his spirit pressure and that's it stuck in shikai form. As i see it people have probably theorized about this subject for some time and somewhere along the line theory's became fact for some people.
So if any of you have any evidence of this shikai claim please prove me wrong.
Look, when referring to Zaraki we've always heard "the one captain who's never obtained bankai", not "the one captain who's never obtained shikai"
It's just common sense dude
I like how you refer to that one time someone called him "the captain that never attained bankai" as "always".
Common sense says that Kenpachi's zanpatou isn't released because he doesn't know its name. You can't release your Zanpaktou without knowing its name. Even Ichigo's, who's always released now, needed to know his Zanpaktou's name the first time.This is not common sense. This is something you've pulled from nowhere.
Ok since you put it that way let's say hypothetical Zaraki had shikai. What do he get out of it? So far we have seen nothing to indicate that people get powerups from shikai more then that they gain new abilitys. Hinamori could shoot some kind of eneryball. Kira got a more passive ability that makes the enemys sword get heavier when they hit. Byakuya got his sakura leaf blade thingy. Itchimaru got his blade extending/shooting skill. Aizen hot his hypnosis ability. The two older captains (forgot their name but the sick one and the samurai one) got a duel wield ability and we don't even know if that is all, since they never fought with it. The list goes on.
But so far non has gotten a physical powerup from it. Itchigo is the exception. But that was because he borrowed or fused his power with Zangetsu. And let's say that would be possible for everyone, Zaraki still can't do that since he can't even talk or hear his zanpaktou.
So Zaraki would get no powerup from his shikai. So why would that be required for him to be a captain if it gives him nothing whatsoever?
Also let's say there was a sprint test requirement for becoming a captain where you have to run a mile. And let's say you have to run under 3min. All captains have successfully completed the test in under 3 min except Zaraki who ran in on 5:32. You don't say he is the only captain to not run under 5 min. You say he's the only one to not run under 3min. Just because they said only captain to not acquire bankai doesn't mean he has obtain shikai. Because so far bankai has been synonym to captains. Only captains had bankai when SS arc was. Renji gained his during the SS and was the first non captain to gain it. Itchigo isn't part of SS and he is basically on captain level anyway. Ikkaku gained his after. And apart from those 3 no one have gotten bankai that wasn't a captain (if my memory serves me correct).
So "captain=have bankai" and therefor it is needed to point out that Zaraki doesn't have it.
Also let's say he has shikai. The whole discussion right now about this fact is is usually the resault of what power up Zaraki can present to beat Noitora (if he needs any powerup at all). Well in terms of power up even if he has shikai he doesn't get anything out of it. So the first powerup would be to learn it's name so that he can utilize it's shikai ability. People say that he already have shikai so everyone expect bankai to be the next step. But not even that is true. His shikai ABILITY would be.
Now back to lurking-mode again
Last edited by TwisT; Mon, 01-12-2009 at 06:15 PM.
no, it's because bankai was the new big thing in the series
If having Bankai is a requirement for being a captain then they obviously achieved it before they became captains. Plus, as we have seen from Zaraki you can simply best a captain in battle and take their place. Bankai is just a step on one of the paths to becoming a captain.
A released sword doesn't have to give an ability that is something we see all the time. Obviously most swords are capable of fighting without using their main ability all the time and with Zaraki's extreme opposition to getting help from his sword in the past there is no reason to assume he would have looked or tried to force an extra ability.
All in all with the ambiguity that Zaraki put on the whole situation ("This is my soul slayer's true form" remember this is when they were constantly talking about a soul slayer's true form being Shikai) it is difficult to say. Sure he could have been referring to never having released it but at the time he was comparing it to Ichigo's. Maybe if he had said it wasn't a Zanpaktu but rather just some metal he uses to attack people with. I'm not saying that the sword not being released makes more sense but rather that there is no where near enough evidence to say one way or the other, even more so when there is no rule set we can look at to determine if something is actually impossible.
Having said all that I think his sword is not in Shikai.
Meh, maybe you're right.
I don't care enough about this anime anymore to even try to come up with a rebuttal, its quality is really going downhill lately
I don't think its in Shikai either. Like nearly all Shikai-forms so far have shown in the anime to have a black back and white/grey edge. I'm not counting Suzumebachi because that becomes something else then a sword with different colours or Heineko and Senbonsakura . Zaraki does not have that. I believe he also stated he doesn't know the name and he doesn't believe in that crap how Zanpaktou and Shinigami fight as one. As fas as we have been shown Zanpaktou have a mind of their own. I think his Zanpaktou's "mind" is just broken or hates him.
And if people really want to continue just compromise. Say he has forced the "power" of his Zanpaktou to Shikai by forcing it with his Reiatsu but did not force the form and abilty of it =\
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