Naruto Shippuuden Episode 86-87

[KrayZ33]

Why on earth does everyone think there's anything special about the deer? It's just a forest that belongs to his family that has (Shika) deer in them... Why can't they be the caretakers of a forest outside of Konoha?

Have the deer actually done anything at all? No.

because deers are shy and run away if they hear noises.. oh and all the deers were males which is actually weird too since they don't allow rivals in love near them.

and they appeared right before Hidan was being executed which makes me think that they are going to eat his corpse.

and do you really believe it was coincidence that the camera focussed on a deer's eye (which is the mirror of it's soul btw) when he said "my clan will trap you here forever?"

if it's just meant to mean that people from his clan are comming by now and then and look after hidans tomb, then I don't know why they even showed us the deers

I don't know what you guys think about that, but I'd find it alot better if these "ancient spirit" stories are left out.. the summoned creatures in naruto are enough already.

[antiravage]

Kakashi can use all five elements though he has only showed 3 jutsus from different elements so far If we don’t count the filler katon he used against Sakura and Naruto, but what he can’t do is use powerful S-rank jutsus that aren’t lighting element because they are not his affinity so he would have to spend an eternity to learn an S-rank non raiton justu while an S-rank lighting one would be easier to master.

All this is proved by the manga, the only S-rank elemental jutsu Kakashi has ever used is raikiri, a raiton, having the sharingan allows him to copy other jutsus and use different elements easily but there is a limit depending how powerful, draining and demanding the jutsu is, certain jutsus are out of his reach, Kakuzu on the other hand has no limit, he can learn any elemental jutsu with the same ease even S-rank ones.

And for those who don’t know the trailer at the end of the episode is the preview for the next arc, it’s the first time they do such thing, maybe it’s because of the ratings in japan, the ratings haven’t been that good lately so they might want to use the preview to see if they get more audience later considering Sasuke is in the next arc, oh, and by the way, the next arc will mix canon with filler, the three tails and Deidara, Sasuke and Orochimaru part was in the manga.

[Assertn]

Guys....it's symbolism, ok?

Deer is symbolic of the Nara clan. Their clan has been associated with deer for most of the series. Their clan supplies Tsunade with the antlers she uses to create medicines, and you see designs with deer on the doors of Shikamaru's house. Plus I think "Shika" means deer or some shit.

[animus]

Anyone else thought it was kinda odd Naruto used Tajuu Kage Bunshin, which is for massive amounts of clones, to summon only 2 and 3?

[ASSpirine]

Guys....it's symbolism, ok?

Deer is symbolic of the Nara clan. Their clan has been associated with deer for most of the series. Their clan supplies Tsunade with the antlers she uses to create medicines, and you see designs with deer on the doors of Shikamaru's house. Plus I think "Shika" means deer or some shit.

Yup, I think Shikamaru himself said Shika when mentioning the deers.

Anyone else thought it was kinda odd Naruto used Tajuu Kage Bunshin, which is for massive amounts of clones, to summon only 2 and 3?

Noticed it too, ridiculous he used Tajuu... like 2 or 3 clones is a mass...

[Rikudo]

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Originally Posted by Abdula
DDBen, wow. Really, just wow.

What? You have a problem with how you said something that was completely untrue about the manga and he showed us that you were wrong/lying?

By all means, take a break. I'll be sure to link this thread when you show up again and try and pretend it didn't happen.

That's Abdula aka TTB for you. He loves to proved people wrong but he's too much of a pussy when its the other way around.

Kakashi explained before that most jounin are able to use two element quite easily and in some case more. Being Kakashi is a higher level jounin, he showed that he can easily use three of them, lightning, water, earth type and a little bit of wind when he formed a rasengan.

[Assertn]

You don't need wind to create a rasengan. The rasengan itself is just chakra form, not nature composition. This was explained during Naruto's training.

[Crash]

nvm assrtn beat me to it

[Buffalobiian]

I wonder what the difference is between Futon: Rasengan, and Futon: Rasengan Shuriken. It looked different, but that's all the eye can differentiate.

[KrayZ33]

Rasengan Shuriken is probably a nuke or bazooka, while the other rasengan is meant for close range. Btw, I wouldn't be too shocked if he just throws it at Kakuzu in the next episode and misses .... naturally shortly after they showed what happened in this episode before again for the first 2 minutes (followed by the opening) and stared at each other for like 1 or 2 minutes

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[DB_Hunter]

The deer thing is def symbolism in my opinion.

As for Kakashi's elemental affinity, he def has an affinity for lightning and water. I think this suggests his underground move isn't a simple dig move and could possibly have earth affinity also. I'm pretty sure he has used Katon jutsu somewhere, but I can't find it in the manga. In the anime they added him using the Grand Fireball right at the start of Shippudden against Sakura and Naruto.

[Buffalobiian]

naturally shortly after they showed what happened in this episode before again for the first 2 minutes (followed by the opening) and stared at each other for like 1 or 2 minutes

We can only hope that doesn't happen.

On a different note, the more I look at it, the more I think Kakuzu's lizard look suits him.
The reptilian image encompasses cold-blooded brutality, power, intelligence, longevity...

While modern reptiles surely don't have three hearts, they do have a three-chambered heart.

[Shadow Skill]

It's obvious this episode special was about Shikamaru when it should not have been.

Seriously, did they have to bring in a 5 minute Ghost of Asuma? Not to mention Sakura's flash back of Shikamaru? I see that as a waste of good Naruto time. The long drawn out talks... Was all about killing, then switched to talking near the end of the fight...

Also, I agree, Naruto's eyes ruled. At first I thought the Kyuubi was coming out. Hopefully some are right, Naruto has learned to tap in to the Kyuubi power without losing himself in the process.

[antiravage]

As for Kakashi's elemental affinity, he def has an affinity for lightning and water.[

Guys, come on, this is depressing, I just said in my first post here, a ninja can only have one affinity, obviously a ninja can have more ease with a particular element than another but that doesn’t mean he has dual or triple affinity it just means he is better at one element than the other. Kakashi is the example, he shows lots of water jutsus, maybe he is good at them but his affinity is lighting and lighting alone, end of story, or else he could have created an S-rank water jutsu, which he has none.

The only S-rank elemental jutsu type Kakashi can have is raiton. And Kakashi sure doesn’t have water affinity, how is the special paper that tells one’s affinity able to show two different reactions at the same time? It doesn’t work like that; the paper will react according to the element the chakra owner is better with.

What you guys are doing is like, hey guys, Naruto has six twin brothers once in a while when he fights. And what I’m trying to tell you is, no, that’s just clones, that’s part of a jutsu called kage bushin.
Kakashi´s affinity=Lighting.
Now shut up with the water affinity.

[Jessper]

Also why does Atsuma know the way into the Shika Forrest to make an appearance as a ghost if only the Shika clan have been there? Yes it's dumb but the whole point is probably not to take things too seriously.

Lets forget that this is an anime just for a moment. You find it hard to believe that a ghost would know where something is? Also don't forget you are assuming it is a ghost...

As for the pace of the episode, honestly I figured it was done and over (was about to close it even) when the fade to black happened in the middle. I knew it was a double episode but honestly after the recent double eps I expected all of the content in the first half to be both episodes.

Overall I enjoyed it.

and they appeared right before Hidan was being executed which makes me think that they are going to eat his corpse.

That is what I figured too, kind of messed up but it would probably be fairly effective...

and do you really believe it was coincidence that the camera focussed on a deer's eye (which is the mirror of it's soul btw) when he said "my clan will trap you here forever?"

Obviously the Deer are there for a reason, it wasn't just to be creepy. I wouldn't assume these deer are what we think of when we say deer though, sure they are similar but I doubt half a dozen "earth" deer are the prison Shikamaru setup for Hidan and regular deer sure don't show up on demand.

[Uzumaki]

Yes I assume it's a ghost because in general when someone dies and then appears to a loved one in a *gasp* ghostly manner it appears ghostlike. Also said it's dumb and people need to not take this so seriously.

[Azonalanthious]

I never liked the 'ghost' but I have to say that I never actually thought it WAS a ghost - I thought it was basicly all in Shikamaru's head, basicly showing that symbolicly Asuma was with him. I though it was a poor way of doing it, but thats all I thought it was, not an actual spirit.

[Jessper]

I never liked the 'ghost' but I have to say that I never actually thought it WAS a ghost - I thought it was basicly all in Shikamaru's head, basicly showing that symbolicly Asuma was with him. I though it was a poor way of doing it, but thats all I thought it was, not an actual spirit.

Exactly, not to mention even if it was a ghost how do you know what knowledge they have access to? To be technical information is stored in the brain and accessed through electrical impulse, someone that is dead no long has these pulses thus no information. Ghosts should all be really dumb!

[Uzumaki]

In the manga doesn't Shikamaru hand Atsuma the cigarette? Or the 'ghost' was made from the cigarette smoke or something physical

[DarthEnderX]

I assumed the ghost was shikamaru's imagination as well.

And now that its been explained and I've watched it again, yes, I agree now the deer shit is all symbolic, but I hope people can understand why some people would be confused.