Naruto Shippuuden Episode 86-87

[Buffalobiian]

[DB] Naruto Shippuuden 086-087 [B46272E9] avi @ Mininova

Comments claim it's the real deal. DB torrent site still down at time of posting.

Edit after watching: It's DB. Preview is....okay, I guess. Still better off without.

[Pessu]

Yup its the real deal. Some kind of a "troll" i guess since they wouldnt post in on their own site.

But MAAAAAAAAAAAN was that one KICKAAAAAAAAS episode! Or two of them

Kept me on the edge of my seat the whole time. Animation was decent, no stretching and minimum flashbacks.

Narutos new tech is kinda lame since its just a stronger rasengan with two clones instead of one now :P But hey atleast he can use his clones more efficiently now.

[Abdula]

Naruto has his moments, but they are just that moments.

no stretching and minimum flashbacks.

You've got to be kidding me. As is the norm with these hour long specials this one was watered down with stretching, flashbacks and filler material. It was terrible.

I figured Kakashi was water and lightning affinity....

Uh huh..........


@ Bill: That is indeed filler, and it explains why they didn't show the three tails before. They are saving it for a filler arc. This show has really gone down the drain.

and didn't kakashi use an earth move, and then a water move? so can he use 3 things?

I think I mentioned this two episodes ago, but just in case I didn't. That technique Kakashi uses when he hides underground is a skill. Much like walking up trees, or walking on water its a skill anyone can learn and doesn't require any elemental recomposition.

[tystic]

I can see the DB site, there's a news post about christmas cards, but no Naruto release listed yet.

[Kraco]

I think this (double)episode was a bit stretched or at least had a much slower pace than the previous uber kickass one. But still a very nice ep. There was one thing, though, that greatly bothered me: How both Kakashi and Shikamaru used such a long time to explain the plan to the villains. What merit whatsoever does such an action serve? It didn't matter much to Shikamaru or may have even be necessary because it was a personal revenge for him and the continuation of his plan allowed it anyway, but for Kakashi it was quite a mistake. He should have used the time to turn Kakuzu's body into minced meat or charcoal, starting from the head.

It was also funny how Chouji attacked the hairy trolls with all he had got, and they just continued running as if nothing had happened. Looks like Kakashi isn't the only one who could learn a thing or two from this battle.

[Buffalobiian]

Well well, should I be surprised they can pump out good episodes one after another? -Anyhow, this one was very enjoyable. It was stretched at some points. The main one for me was Kakashi explaining the situation to Yamato. It wasn't that bad, but hearing it again sure wasn't entertaining.

-I'm not sure if Shikamaru's plan on keeping Hidan's head there is foolproof. If Akatsuki keeps tabs on their men at all, Zetsu will be right there to clean up the place. We know their leader can communicate telepathically with them, so as long as Hidan has a brain, he can call for help.

-Naruto's Rasengan-Shuriken reminds me of the good old Zabuza arc. Let's hope it means there's more good things to come. Kakuzu losing his cool a bit felt like the typical cheezy Shounen main-character-made-a-new-awesome-technique lines. I don't mind him acknowledging that it'll KO if it hits, but sweating like that and all really isn't Kakuzu. Surely he's seen the face of death a few times to keep his cool. I know he's not freaking out, but he's getting there.

-New cinematic trailer was interesting, and I doubt it'll happen every episode. It's probably there to simply introduce the new arc. Meanwhile, the woman Orochimaru summoned (presumably) looks suspiciously filler-like. Let's keep our fingers crossed.

-Cocoon-sleepless Yamato was hilarious.

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Edit: This new release method makes me scratch my head. Are they thinking of getting around "not subbing Naruto" by simply not hosting the torrent? For now, I'm going to assume it was a technical problem on DB's side.

Edit2: -Kakashi said "So water attacks aren't enough to stop a fire-wind combination." Depending on how you look at that, it could mean he had enough confidence that his water attack may have been enough to stop either a fire or wind attack. Assuming those elemental attacks are high level, one would expect it takes an equally high one to counter it, elemental advantages aside. So, Kakashi is also a water type?

[Assertn]

I figured Kakashi was water and lightning affinity....

[Azonalanthious]

Ya know, this is the first episode in a long, long time where Naruto actually impressed me. The new rasengen looks cooler then I expected, but what really got me was the clone work. The village idiot appears to be finally growing a brain. A Naruto who thinks things through and plans intelligently would be far more dangerous and much more enjoyable to watch, even with no new techniques.

One of the things I loved about him way back in the day which has fallen by the wayside what the whole 'number one noisy ninja at suprising people.' He used to improvise and come up with unusual and interesting tactics like cloning underwater in the survival test with Kakashi, turning into the shruiken vs Zabuza, or even using his rasengen to create a whirlpool back in the race arc. But lately its all been 'ooh, he had a lot of stamina, ooh, he has a powerful attack, ooh he's dumb as a brick." Which is no where near as interesting. Here's to hoping that the intelligent use of clones is a good sign for the future.

[Pandadice]

well, I didn't like the shikamaru and Asuma flash back, or the whole taking forever to explain the plan. I didn't like seeing Asuma's ghost, that was weird, and the deer thing was just kinda like "what..?". and I don't get how so many explosive tags made such a tiny concealed explosion. they've so inconsistent with those things.

but I did like seeing shikamaru's plan go into action. awman, when he slashed his throat. that was such a cool part. and then Yamato coming in was cool. seeing naruto's new technique was kinda 'meh'. him 'using the clones on a new level' thing was kinda like 'uhh?'.

and didn't kakashi use an earth move, and then a water move? so can he use 3 things?

[tystic]

No stretching and minimum flashbacks... I was thinking of that during the whole ep and wondering, how much of this did that poster sleep through?

Even with that, an enjoyable episode. Shikamaru is awesome as usual, Naruto gets the upper hand in the perfect position to lose it, you know all the stuff that makes this show great.

[Azonalanthious]

To be fair, the flashbacks were at least nearly all new material, rather then just reshowing clips from previous shows. I would prefer no flashbacks, but these were better then a lot of the other flashbacks we've been subject to.

[tystic]

True, the Asuma flashback was good. I was also wondering why they flashed back for the attack on Kakuzu, for about a minute, then I was like "oooooh so THATS how Shikamaru did it..." and it was worth it.

The insomnia Yamato clip was funny. Rasengan when sleeping, I hope he has homeowner's insurance!

[DarthEnderX]

Yeah, that wind rasengan came out way cooler looking than I thought it was gonna. A giant shuriken? Awesome. And ninja-ish for once. Sometimes, you start to forget that this show is supposed to be about ninjas and not wizards.

I really don't buy the "these magic deer will make sure you never get out" part of Shikamaru's plan either. I was with him right up till that point. Blowing him up like that? Beautiful. I was really hoping that he had maybe researched Jashin and figured out how Hidan was staying alive and came up with the counter for it. Instead its...well, its like has already been said, I'd be surprised if those deer are able to keep Zetsu from digging up Hidan.

I think I mentioned this two episodes ago, but just in case I didn't. That technique Kakashi uses when he hides underground is a skill. Much like walking up trees, or walking on water its a skill anyone can learn and doesn't require any elemental recomposition.

Hmm, digging a hole like Naruto once did might be. But the way Kakashi swims through the earth is most likely not. Either way, Kakashi most definitely knows Earth-style jutsu.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/7/12/

Earth type, or as the english translation would call it, Earth style. He's not copying that technique from anyone either. And that's the exact same technique he used on the lightning mask this episode.

So at this point, Kakashi can clearly use at least 3 elements.


So is the trailer at the end, like, a movie, or an OVA or what?

[Abdula]

Hmm, digging a hole like Naruto once did might be. But the way Kakashi swims through the earth is most likely not. Either way, Kakashi most definitely knows Earth-style jutsu.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/7/12/

Earth type, or as the english translation would call it, Earth style. He's not copying that technique from anyone either. And that's the exact same technique he used on the lightning mask this episode.

So at this point, Kakashi can clearly use at least 3 elements.

Its funny that you would say that when in the very same link you posted it says its a skill and knowing an Earth-style skill is very different from having Earth type nature manipulation. Anyway I'll say it again, there was only one timee Kakashi actually used an earth technique and that was in his fight against Zabuza and that doesn't count because he used a scroll.

Anyway on the subject of Kakashi's use of elements, does anyone find it strange that he used that water wall technique out of nowhere when there was no water in sight, because he used a different technique in the manga and that was one of the changes they made that I thought was just strange.

once again the lack of imagination in these posts prove why kishimoto has to beat shit with a dead horse in his explanations.

-Oh and the dialogue in this episode was terrible.

[DDBen]

Its funny that you would say that when in the very same link you posted it says its a skill and knowing an Earth-style skill is very different from having Earth type nature manipulation. Anyway I'll say it again, there was only one timee Kakashi actually used an earth technique and that was in his fight against Zabuza and that doesn't count because he used a scroll.

Anyway on the subject of Kakashi's use of elements, does anyone find it strange that he used that water wall technique out of nowhere when there was no water in sight, because he used a different technique in the manga and that was one of the changes they made that I thought was just strange.

Um what are you talking about Abdula. First off Kakashi has constantly used earth Jutsu he has gone into the ground on MANY occasions and I find it hard to believe that could be considered anything else.

Second Kakashi used the same water Technique in the manga.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/336/12/

So yeah that wasn't a change at all.

[Killa-Eyez]

I agree with the majority of opinions, kinda slow and too much explanation but interesting none the less. And a funny "rough sleeper" comic relief to add to it. Yeah I laughed. Yeah I thought it was funny...
Though the characters looks were more accurate, the animation itself was poorer then the previous episode. Can't have it all I guess.

[DarthEnderX]

Its funny that you would say that when in the very same link you posted it says its a skill and knowing an Earth-style skill is very different from having Earth type nature manipulation.

That's only the way that particular translator chooses to tranlate the word Doton.

Cybernetic says Doton = Earth type skill
VIZ says Doton = Earth Style
DB says Doton = Earth Element

It's the same word that precedes all Earth element jutsu.

Just like Suiton(VIZ = Water Style) precedes all Water elemental jutsu.

And how Katon(VIZ = Fire Style) precedes all Fire elemental jutsu.

Sorry Abdula, but you are wrong, and this time, the Manga comes out and says you are wrong. That is Kakashi using an earth element jutsu without a scroll.

You can argue if you want, but you're arguing with the manga's writer at that point, which means you automatically lose.

[Artris]

I thought nature type techniques were avaiable to all, only the higher level techniques of each type are very taxing or impossible to do without an affinity. For example all of the environment-changing jutsu we've seen from kakashi have been water type, while chidori (as one of his most damaging attacks) is lightning type.

What I'm getting at is Kakashi can use the lower level techniques of fire, air, earth but would have trouble with the higher level techniques. To support this notion, just consider that most nins have a strong affinity, and a lesser second affinity (at least, the anime mentions this: I don't read the manga). This implies that affinity is ranked, and so while they have access to all nature types, the lower ones are too weak to be useful.

[Buffalobiian]

He's not copying that technique from anyone either.

The sharingan only needs to see it once to use it again. Ever. Officially, Kakashi's only original technique is his Raikiri. Other moves he either copied from people, or common moves everybody learns.

As for the deer, I'm pretty sure Shikamaru said his clan will make sure he never gets out. His clan owns the land, and only they enter. The deer was just for effect. (Shika means "deer".) At first, I thought those deer were going to eat Hidan

Rasengan-Shuriken implies you can throw it. I wonder if you can control its flight path using wind manipulation?

[DarthEnderX]

As for the deer, I'm pretty sure Shikamaru said his clan will make sure he never gets out. His clan owns the land, and only they enter. The deer was just for effect. (Shika means "deer".)

I see. Still. How big is Shikamaru's clan? I wouldn't really places any wagers on them vs. Akatsuki should they decide they want Hidan back.

The sharingan only needs to see it once to use it again. Ever. Officially, Kakashi's only original technique is his Raikiri. Other moves he either copied from people, or common moves everybody learns.

Yeah I know. I was just clarifying.

Rasengan-Shuriken implies you can throw it. I wonder if you can control its flight path using wind manipulation?

Haha, so Naruto has become Krillin?

Destruction Disk!