Naruto Shippuuden Episode 86-87

[Assertn]

Obviously the Deer are there for a reason, it wasn't just to be creepy. I wouldn't assume these deer are what we think of when we say deer though, sure they are similar but I doubt half a dozen "earth" deer are the prison Shikamaru setup for Hidan and regular deer sure don't show up on demand.

fine...

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/338/12/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/338/13/

Here's the two pages that the scene comes from.
Clearly, the intent was not for the deer to play a vital role in Hidan's demise.

[DarthEnderX]

Haha, the cigarette flick there is pretty badass.

[Jeff_from_MD]

OK I want to biatch about how the fillers stole the thunder of this episode, by coming up with that gay "hair monster" who could use all 4 elemental attacks and use its hair as a way to ensnare people. That stupid filler ripped of of this arc completely, and made Kakuzu like "ensnaring hair monster #2." >.<



Anyway, the deer only seemed deceptively important because english viewers never associated shikamaru with the word "deer" (shika) for the past 5 years naruto's been airing. But japanese viewers knew exactly shikamaru's affiliation with the forest and left it as that, and weren't transfixed by the deer being "some new spirit entering the scene."

[ASSpirine]

I think we all knew that Shikamaru had something with deers, from the beginning on it has been said that the Nara clan has a special bond with the deers because of their antlers.

[Jessper]

fine...

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/338/12/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/338/13/

Here's the two pages that the scene comes from.
Clearly, the intent was not for the deer to play a vital role in Hidan's demise.

I agree with your idea of the symbolism (though I was really wondering if they were going to eat him, seems fitting!) I was just playing devil's advocate with the other ideas.

OK I want to biatch about how the fillers stole the thunder of this episode, by coming up with that gay "hair monster" who could use all 4 elemental attacks and use its hair as a way to ensnare people. That stupid filler ripped of of this arc completely, and made Kakuzu like "ensnaring hair monster #2." >.<

They really need to hire some writers if they plan on doing filler episodes, not have the interns do it for them. It is pretty pathetic. They could have let her use all 4 elements even but the parallel between when she was just hair to Kakuzu at the end there is a bit much.

[ASSpirine]

ok, I just watched part of the episode back, and I've only noticed Naruto's eyes just now after some of the guys said something about it. Hopefully its true, that he managed to control the Kyuubi a bit more. Before this arc it was always Naruto going Kyuubi beserk... Got really sick of it

Ow yeah, and how much did Chouji and Ino suck during these last episodes. Chouji at least tried something, but Ino did nothing...

[Kraco]

Chouji at least tried something, but Ino did nothing...

For Ino's defense it has to be said she probably would have tried if the others hadn't kept telling her it's too dangerous. I guess she was too good a girl and listened them.

[Rikudo]

Ow yeah, and how much did Chouji and Ino suck during these last episodes. Chouji at least tried something, but Ino did nothing...

I believe Ino is the designated medical ninja in the four man platoon so she doesn't really have to do anything unless necessary. She did offer to heal Kakashi when Kakuzu's tentacle penetrated his chest.

[poopdeville]

I liked the sleep walking Naruto intermission.

[ASSpirine]

I believe Ino is the designated medical ninja in the four man platoon so she doesn't really have to do anything unless necessary. She did offer to heal Kakashi when Kakuzu's tentacle penetrated his chest.

Still.. Medical ninjas are supposed to very good at chakra control. That still means they can do jutsu's that require that kind of qualties.

Only being useful when someone is injures isn't that good... Sakura at least knew other things

[DarthEnderX]

Only being useful when someone is injures isn't that good.

Tell her that again when you have a lethal wound.

Sakura is one of the main characters, that's why she's a medical ninja and a badass besides. Most medical ninjas have to do everything they can just to be good at medical jutsu.

[Azonalanthious]

Also, let's not forget (easy to do watching the show) that ninja missions aren't all about combat. In fact, the majority are likely non-combat oriented. Intel, recon, escorts, secure transport, heck that one dog with the ribbon on its ear. A lot of the ninjas that seem weak in combat probably have skills focused more on other areas - like Ino's possession jutsu. Weak in combat, but loads of uses for other types of missions. Like, oh, possessing a bird to find the targets, without which Skikamaru and crew might well still be wandering around searching for them.

[ASSpirine]

Tell her that again when you have a lethal wound.

Sakura is one of the main characters, that's why she's a medical ninja and a badass besides. Most medical ninjas have to do everything they can just to be good at medical jutsu.

I'm just saying that when you have such a good chakra control it is possible to do some good jutsu's. How is it any good that she has to be protected all the time because she is a medical nin. This distracts the stronger one (Kakashi) in his fight against the opponent.

[RyougaZell]

Also, let's not forget (easy to do watching the show) that ninja missions aren't all about combat. In fact, the majority are likely non-combat oriented. Intel, recon, escorts, secure transport, heck that one dog with the ribbon on its ear. A lot of the ninjas that seem weak in combat probably have skills focused more on other areas - like Ino's possession jutsu. Weak in combat, but loads of uses for other types of missions. Like, oh, possessing a bird to find the targets, without which Skikamaru and crew might well still be wandering around searching for them.

Best explanation I've seen in a while. Most people (watching Asspirine) believe you are just a good ninja if you break more things.

[Yukimura]

I'm just saying that when you have such a good chakra control it is possible to do some good jutsu's. How is it any good that she has to be protected all the time because she is a medical nin. This distracts the stronger one (Kakashi) in his fight against the opponent.

Think about it on a risk reward basis. There's no such thing as a guaranteed victory so no matter how good Ino's hypothetical jutsu might be there's always a chance it'll just get thrown back in her face by an opponent and she'll end up captured or dead. Given that she's the only person on the team that can heal the others, while all of them are capable of fighting her staying alive and free to support everyone probably has a higher value to the overall team than her potential offensive abilities. Any ninja can fight, but healing requires a lot of specialized training and effort.

[Kagari]

Loving the fact that a few of you are understanding Ino's role, and defending it! I thought I was gonna have to do it myself. She helped out in her own way.

Seriously, did they have to bring in a 5 minute Ghost of Asuma? Not to mention Sakura's flash back of Shikamaru? I see that as a waste of good Naruto time. The long drawn out talks...

I kinda liked that, especially sakura's flashback. Thought it was a neat moment between Asuma and Shika, and it was VERY cool to hear about Shikamaru's offer. Oh, and his eyes right before slashing hidan's throat? epic.

Overall, I enjoyed the episode from start to finish. It wasn't as action packed as 85, but as others have mentioned action isn't everything, only part of the equation.


Where did that Abdula guy go? ...after he got pwned he disappeared. I'm not familiar with his notorious "work" around these forums, but seems to me you should stick up and admit defeat!

[Archangel]

Lol the kakshi elemental affinity subject came up again, i'm sad i missed it.

Anyways good animation work and good episode.

Wtf is up with the ending, is that an OVA? If it's another filler arc or something like that i'm gonna hang the anime directors, cut off all their limbs and then feed them to all the pissod off fans that have abandoned naruto since the fillers started.

[Azonalanthious]

I just watched the episode again and noticed something that I didn't really notice last time (well, I noticed it, just didn't think about it). The pit Shikamaru makes has a circle of pipes opening around its edge. The first time through, I just assumed that they were there from however he rigged the pit to collapse, but I started to wonder as I watched it this time. What if they are there to dispense acid or something similar? That would seem to be an effective way of insuring that no one ever comes and tries to put the assorted post explosion bits and pieces back together again.

[Archangel]

Shikamaru is known to think ahead but i don't think he's actually making a back up plan is case his whole clan gets annihilated

Then again who knows, he's a genius after all

[Abdula]

Where did that Abdula guy go? ...after he got pwned he disappeared. I'm not familiar with his notorious "work" around these forums, but seems to me you should stick up and admit defeat!

Lol. You guys really need to grow up. I merely said that I don't believe Kakashi can use earth element, something I've said and stuck to since this whole elemental affinity thing came up then I pointed out that there was a difference between the technique Kakashi used in the manga and the one he used in the anime.

Where is this supposed pwning?

Darth posted this. Nothing I didn't already know and I thought it was just an attempt on his part to goad me into some long winded response.

And DDBen this
Which I thought was really weird since he mentions Kakashi constantly using earth techniques to go into the ground on many occasions when as far as I remember he has used the same technique a total of four times and I had already stated numerous times why I don't consider that technique.

And in regard to the water technique, there certainly was a difference. It may not have been a major difference and he may not have noticed it but that doesn't change the fact that there is a difference.

I just decided to take a break from posting here because I've been down this road with these guys far too many times. After the last time and the debacle that resulted from me simply saying "Ninjas can sense each other" I decided to avoid posting for awhile until you guys moved on because I'm really not interested in bogging down yet another Naruto thread with you guys going after Abdula. I'm done with that.

All the neg reps were greatly appreciated though.