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    I always figured Shika meant the land was guarded by some holy ancestral powers or something.
    10/4/04 - 8/20/07

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    The upbeat soundtrack at 8:50 was good sh** (when Shikamaru swipes at Hidan's neck). I always appreciate it when they introduce the electric guitar back into the ensemble, since it really kicks ass over the otherwise arabian-esque character of Shippuden's music.

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    but it sucks that they are only playing the songs for like 5 second and interrupt it with a flashback or showing the same scene a second time just without the music...

    I think that happened for like 4-5 times in this episode.

    once again they killed the whole tension by doing so

    ep 85 was alot better than this
    even though 86-87 had a lot more potential (the explanations and such were too long for me)

    Shikamaru and his "Deer-Forest" was not so good.. mysterious animals and such should stay with jidai-geki themed animes in my opinion. At least I couldn't really understand why *his* clan has its own forest, or why there are some weird magical(?) deers in it


    well, the episode was "okay".. it's just that they could have make it 10 times better if they wouldn't insist on cliffhanger endings and squeezing out everything.
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    once again the lack of imagination in these posts prove why kishimoto has to beat shit with a dead horse in his explanations.
    10/4/04 - 8/20/07

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    Why on earth does everyone think there's anything special about the deer? It's just a forest that belongs to his family that has (Shika) deer in them... Why can't they be the caretakers of a forest outside of Konoha?

    Have the deer actually done anything at all? No.

    And haven't we only seen the telepathic link when they sit down to communicate? Perhaps it involves handseals which could be quite tricky to accomplish in Hidans current state, and if nobody knows where he is then it's safe to say they wouldn't find him. And his family should be relatively strong since he himself planned the takedown of no less than two Akatsuki members on his own...

    This/these ep(s) had too many sporadic flashbacks and explanation scenes for my taste...
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    Uh also....there's no point in recovering Hidan if Kakuzu is defeated.
    10/4/04 - 8/20/07

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberbaka
    Why on earth does everyone think there's anything special about the deer? It's just a forest that belongs to his family that has (Shika) deer in them... Why can't they be the caretakers of a forest outside of Konoha?

    Have the deer actually done anything at all? No.
    because deers are shy and run away if they hear noises.. oh and all the deers were males which is actually weird too since they don't allow rivals in love near them.

    and they appeared right before Hidan was being executed which makes me think that they are going to eat his corpse.

    and do you really believe it was coincidence that the camera focussed on a deer's eye (which is the mirror of it's soul btw) when he said "my clan will trap you here forever?"

    if it's just meant to mean that people from his clan are comming by now and then and look after hidans tomb, then I don't know why they even showed us the deers

    I don't know what you guys think about that, but I'd find it alot better if these "ancient spirit" stories are left out.. the summoned creatures in naruto are enough already.
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    way too many flashbacks, they could have made the best episode ever if they picked up the pace.

    About the deers, I kinda thought the deers would eat up the bits and pieces of Hidan
    But we're still not sure how dead he is...

    I kinda love it that I was right about the blood of Kakuzu. But it was really obvious in my thought.
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    Suiton Suijinheki is the water wall technique used here, in the fight vs. Itachi, and by the second Hokage.

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/142/09/ <--Kakashi vs. Itachi
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/120/02/ <--2nd Hokage

    The 2nd also used that technique without water nearby. It is safe to assume that it is a pretty high level water jutsu based on those ANBU and Oro's reaction.

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    Did any of you guys put anything into that Narutos eyes where blue 9 tails eyes or where that just me? :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elendril
    Did any of you guys put anything into that Narutos eyes where blue 9 tails eyes or where that just me? :P
    I kinda liked that. Showed that he was taking the power, but not being taken over by it a little. More or less just focusing more.

    Loved that he used his Kagebunshins to run and get killed and then took their experience fom it. That in it self was a huge accomplishment for Naruto.

    Also really liked the Wind Rasengan. I have a set of Bose speakers and the noise that it was making was actually hurting my ears, so that is always good!

    All in all, kinda slow towards the middle, but good all the way around.

    assertnfailure (7:40:03 PM): dude....your posts are a bunch of nonsense

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrayZ33
    At least I couldn't really understand why *his* clan has its own forest,
    The Shika clan are Konoha's pharmacists, in charge of collecting, documenting and storing medical ingredients. Chouji was saved after consuming the red pill because of the Shika clan's research and Tsunade's skills.

    They also mentioned that they had a research facility up near the mountains, which the tiger fellow broke into and made the failed potion Oro gave him. (that was filler, I think, so it probably shouldn't count)

    If their owning a forest or two is questionable, so is te reason the Uchiha exclusively run the police department.

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    Why do I even bother seriously, why. Well I won't anymore.

    DDBen, wow. Really, just wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdula
    DDBen, wow. Really, just wow.
    What? You have a problem with how you said something that was completely untrue about the manga and he showed us that you were wrong/lying?

    By all means, take a break. I'll be sure to link this thread when you show up again and try and pretend it didn't happen.

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    DDBen, wow. Really, just wow.

    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnder
    What? You have a problem with how you said something that was completely untrue about the manga and he showed us that you were wrong/lying?

    By all means, take a break. I'll be sure to link this thread when you show up again and try and pretend it didn't happen.
    That's Abdula aka TTB for you. He loves to proved people wrong but he's too much of a pussy when its the other way around.

    Kakashi explained before that most jounin are able to use two element quite easily and in some case more. Being Kakashi is a higher level jounin, he showed that he can easily use three of them, lightning, water, earth type and a little bit of wind when he formed a rasengan.

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    You don't need wind to create a rasengan. The rasengan itself is just chakra form, not nature composition. This was explained during Naruto's training.
    10/4/04 - 8/20/07

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    nvm assrtn beat me to it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdula
    Why do I even bother seriously, why. Well I won't anymore.

    DDBen, wow. Really, just wow.
    Honestly I don't have a clue what your talking about here.

    I don't pretend I can speak Japanese but I also don't hold DB's translations as gospel.

    http://www.narutobase.net/Naruto-Jut...inheki/55.html

    That is just a random website I found with a quick google looking for a exact translation being I can't translate it on my own.

    Name: Suiton: Suijinheki, 水遁・水陣壁, literally "Water Release: Water Encampment Wall"

    That random manga chapter translated it as "Water Barricade" and DB translated it as "Circular Water Wall". I don't think any of those are purely wrong and they are all essentially exactly the same thing.

    If your not talking about that and are instead refering to Kakashi's constant use of Earth Jutsu. Let see we have the first time team 7 tries to get the Bells where he sucks Sasuke into the ground upto his head for Sakura to find him. We have the second time they goto get the bells in Shippuden where Sakura shatters the ground Kakashi is hiding in. We have this episode where he sucks the Lightning mask into the ground. We have countless examples of him using techniques.

    Heck I think its pretty well established Kakashi can "Copy" Techniques from any of the elements in general otherwise he wouldn't have the reputation of being the copy ninja in the first place. We don't know that he's Earth got an Earth affinity however. Any ability that directly has to do with Earth is a "Earth Jutsu" your claim that he only used one ONCE was blatantly wrong he's used Jutsu's all the time. Using a Jutsu of any kind is using nature manipulation of that particular kind. Having a Natural affinity for a certain kind of Manipulation is a different thing all together and you don't need an affinity to do basic jutsu's it just makes it easier on you. Not yelling out the attack name doesn't mean it isn't based on a certain type of nature chakra especially considering the whole concept likely wasn't fleshed out when Naruto first started.

    http://www.narutobase.net/Naruto-Jut...-Jutsu/55.html

    I do however agree with Buffalobiian the way it was animated Suiton: Suijinheki looked to be a high level water technique. Add in Kakashi V.S. Zabuza when Kakashi copied Suiton-Daibakufu-no-Jutsu and I think its safe to say Kakashi has some level of water affinity.

    http://www.narutobase.net/Naruto-Jut...-Jutsu/55.html

    please note the links are from a random webpage I'll assume the information on it is correct if you can prove otherwise go ahead.

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    From the animation, it seems both the manga and anime drew the Water Barricade, similar to the Third's Earth Barricade, which is I'd say is considered a high level technique.

    What DB translates it as, is Circular Water Wall, which from memory, was a lower level water defense Kakashi used against Itachi when the Itachi/Kisame duo first visited Konoha.

    I think that's the difference Abdula was referring to.
    Last edited by Buffalobiian; Sat, 12-06-2008 at 01:32 AM.

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    Maybe ya'll are looking into this too much, the whole nature manipulation thing has mostly been picked up on in the latest episodes and obviously there's going to be something in the past that doesn't fit perfectly. If you want to look for inconsitancies, I'm sure you'll find plenty. Why isn't Naruto the strongest fighter ever, with the amount of Kage Bunshins he's has used? Because they only hilight the learning thing recently. Also why does Atsuma know the way into the Shika Forrest to make an appearance as a ghost if only the Shika clan have been there? Yes it's dumb but the whole point is probably not to take things too seriously.

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